# 3dsmax
**URL:** https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976
**Category:** design
**Created:** [February 20, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976 "2003-02-20T14:02:10Z")
**Posts on this page:** 13
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### Author:  [@redViper](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/redViper)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 2:02pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/1 "2003-02-20T14:02:10Z")
i dunno where else to post this:
where the heck is the gizmos in 5? i did it before, but i cant seem to find them… help please?
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 3:16pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/2 "2003-02-20T15:16:11Z")
top toolbar…thats rotate scale, there are more somewhere. i cant think of it off the top of my head though
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 3:21pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/3 "2003-02-20T15:21:44Z")
i still cant find it… but i remember it was in the create toolbar area
😠
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/4 "2003-02-20T17:00:46Z")
mwahahahhhahhhhaaaaaa I’m on 4.2 mwahahahhhaahhahhhaaaaaa
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/5 "2003-02-20T17:34:06Z")
so its good that you got a older version? 😛
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/6 "2003-02-20T17:47:02Z")
what exactly are you looking for? Your scale and rotate tools? Look in the lowere right corner. which version are you using?
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 6:14pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/7 "2003-02-20T18:14:39Z")
> \*Originally posted by redViper \*
> \*\*so its good that you got a older version? 😛 \*\*
hell yeah!
At least I v got all my tools right where I want 'em! You have to look for them all over the place! 😛 😛 mwahhahahhahaaa
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 6:21pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/8 "2003-02-20T18:21:54Z")
i’m looking for the gizmo tools…
i dont know… i remember doin a tutorial where you use them to use the fire effect under enviroment.
i only know this progam basic, so you have to speak slow. :trout:
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/9 "2003-02-20T18:24:45Z")
hey red,
what technique did you use to create your avatar effect… i can do it…but i want to know if others are doing it the same way…
i’d appreciate it man.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 6:32pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/10 "2003-02-20T18:32:11Z")
wut version u using?
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 6:35pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/11 "2003-02-20T18:35:18Z")
Your gizmo tools should be in the lower right hand corner if not. Go to customize\>\>revert to start up layout or load layout. You probably customized your interface if they are not there in the lower right hand corner.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/12 "2003-02-20T19:41:51Z")
ok, i’ll try that when i get home.
prstudio,
i just used the pen tool
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/3dsmax/13976/13 "2003-02-20T21:33:50Z")
click on the helpers button on the create tab… then click on the pulldown menu and click on the atmospheric apparatus…
if that doesnt work you can change your layout to the max 4 one…