# Another ipod competitor? **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [August 11, 2004, 3:38am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049 "2004-08-11T03:38:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Wheeler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@Jeff\_Wheeler](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jeff_Wheeler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 3:38am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/1 "2004-08-11T03:38:47Z")
Well, after the sony’s ipod rival, I now see some more great competition: the Creative Zen Touch 24 hours batter vs. ipod’s 12 hrs very simple controls 20 gig is $269 vs. ipod 20 gigs which is $400!!! can use more formats I think (can ipod play wma?) USB 2.0 for faster transfer Search Features 4-band custom equalizer and advanced EQ presets let you customize your music playback AudioSync™ lets you seamlessly update your Creative Zen Touch with your latest music on your PC at the touch of a button FM radio, voice and FM recording via optional wired remote control (available separately) Touch Pad Control for fast scrolling Up to 97dB Signal-to-Noise Ratio - as good as expensive hi-fi systems! 20GB hard drive holds up to 10,000 WMA or 5,000 MP3 songs Create and customize playlists on-the-go > **[Creative Labs (United States of America) | Sound Blaster, Gaming Headsets,...](https://us.creative.com/)** > > Shop online at creative.com for wireless speakers, Bluetooth headphones, Sound Blaster sound cards, gaming headsets. Free shipping on orders over $35. now tell me some reasons why the ipod is better? ---
**Author:** ![krilnon](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/krilnon/32/34_2.png) [@krilnon](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/krilnon)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 4:00am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/2 "2004-08-11T04:00:13Z")
1. Design copied off of iPod. 2. iTunes converts wma automatically. 3. Cheaper price means the quality is suffering. 4. (can Zen play .aac?) ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Wheeler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@Jeff\_Wheeler](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jeff_Wheeler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 4:10am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/3 "2004-08-11T04:10:04Z")
I read the quality is higher in pcworld 😉 who cares if design is ripped? zen can probably play aac, and here you won’t have to convert, plus not everybody uses itunes 😃 ---
**Author:** ![krilnon](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/krilnon/32/34_2.png) [@krilnon](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/krilnon)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 4:14am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/4 "2004-08-11T04:14:18Z")
Not everyone uses AudioSync™ either… The quality is only as high as the file its reading from. A 64kbps song will sound the same on either. ---
**Author:** ![Kyri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Kyri](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Kyri)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 4:45am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/5 "2004-08-11T04:45:47Z")
Looks ok, but it’s not as slim as the iPod is… Similar design to iPod ---
**Author:** ![krilnon](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/krilnon/32/34_2.png) [@krilnon](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/krilnon)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/6 "2004-08-11T04:55:18Z")
> Note: - 1 Actual battery life will vary with use You can say this with most music players, but 24 hours is a very flexible number apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Wheeler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@Jeff\_Wheeler](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jeff_Wheeler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 5:06am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/7 "2004-08-11T05:06:05Z")
but the ipod can’t nearly go that long, that’s with continuous playback, and the max for ipod is 12 😉 ---
**Author:** ![telekinesis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@telekinesis](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/telekinesis)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 5:32am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/8 "2004-08-11T05:32:19Z")
You think just because an iPod is $400 and the competitor is below $300 that it is better. When it comes to Apple you are spending a pretty penny just to have that apple logo on there. Being over the age of 12 you people should know that a named brand can sell a regular pencil for three times the value just by having it in their name. ---
**Author:** ![krilnon](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/krilnon/32/34_2.png) [@krilnon](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/krilnon)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 5:34am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/9 "2004-08-11T05:34:17Z")
Sorry to upset you Super Moderator Man. ☹ I agree that some of the cost is for the Apple name. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Wheeler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@Jeff\_Wheeler](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jeff_Wheeler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 5:44am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/10 "2004-08-11T05:44:55Z")
was he upset? anyways, that’s kinda my point… a bit, or now it is 😃 so I think the zen is better 😜 I thought we could start another debate… but it doesn’t seem anybody wants to ☹ ---
**Author:** ![krilnon](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/krilnon/32/34_2.png) [@krilnon](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/krilnon)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/11 "2004-08-11T17:52:58Z")
I always thought you were a fan of Apple products bp. Do you think that the Zen would run on/work with an Apple computer? ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Wheeler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@Jeff\_Wheeler](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jeff_Wheeler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/12 "2004-08-11T18:11:13Z")
well… all apple audio is something I pretty much hate… overpriced junk, but there notebooks, now that’s a different story 😃 ok… not overpriced junk, just not nearly as good as it should be 😉 and surely the zen would work on a mac 😃 btw, anyone read the article about the dell dj now working on linux? ---
**Author:** ![mdipi](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/mdipi/32/49_2.png) [@mdipi](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/mdipi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 8:12pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/13 "2004-08-11T20:12:36Z")
Isnt FW800 faster than USB2? The new 20 gig iPod is $300 not $400, the 40 gig is $400. It’s bigger than the iPod. The iPod is a lot better of a product than the Zen. The interface although simple, not as nice. The iPod interface is adjusted to you, you dont have to adjust to it, 12 hours is still a great ammount of time for your player. The iPod is small enough to fit in your pocket, and light enough so that you wont ever know that it is there. I love my iPod, i dont think i could do with any other player 😃 ---
**Author:** ![iloveitaly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7ea924/32.png) [@iloveitaly](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/iloveitaly)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 8:14pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/14 "2004-08-11T20:14:07Z")
hmm. in the first place a 20GB ipod is only 300$ (hehe, **only** ). Firewire is faster then usb 2.0… The battery life is better which is cool (of course 24 hours is hyptheticail, so is the ipods 12…)! But, it doesn’t have the ability to take notes, play games, doesn’t have a calender. I really dont think people are going to worry about 30$ too much. Just my view on it. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Wheeler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@Jeff\_Wheeler](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jeff_Wheeler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 8:35pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/15 "2004-08-11T20:35:51Z")
when I said that the ipod was $130 more, I was quoting pcworld, my bad if they’re wrong, which appearently they are, and you don’t know that it can’t take notes, seemed like nice software when I was looking at it ;)… and I would prefer to take the extra time with usb2 because then I don’t have to buy the firewire slot 😉 ---
**Author:** ![iloveitaly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7ea924/32.png) [@iloveitaly](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/iloveitaly)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 8:40pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/16 "2004-08-11T20:40:18Z")
> nd I would prefer to take the extra time with usb2 because then I don’t have to buy the firewire slot lol, i have a firewire and not USB 2. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Wheeler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@Jeff\_Wheeler](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jeff_Wheeler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 8:41pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/17 "2004-08-11T20:41:17Z")
I thought with fw you could also use usb, but that was probably a dream or something… ---
**Author:** ![mdipi](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/mdipi/32/49_2.png) [@mdipi](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/mdipi)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/18 "2004-08-11T21:50:56Z")
Thats a dream all right. How do you not have FW these days? I thought it was standard on all puters now? Also - the iPod is USB2 compatable. ---
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Wheeler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@Jeff\_Wheeler](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jeff_Wheeler)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 9:54pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/19 "2004-08-11T21:54:34Z")
well… I’ve never needed it ;)… that’s how 😜 ---
**Author:** ![955](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/9/4bbf92/32.png) [@955](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/955)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049/20 "2004-08-11T23:16:55Z")
> [@mdipi](#): > > Thats a dream all right. > > How do you not have FW these days? I thought it was standard on all puters now? > > Also - the iPod is USB2 compatable. Nope - not at all. I might be getting a new motherboard, and the ones I was looking at didn’t have Firewire integrated (I’ve got a MicroATX case, so space is tight :() Also - converting audio from one lossy format to another causes loss of quality because the different formats cut out different pieces of the sound file (but WMA sucks, so you shouldn’t be using it anyway 😉 OGG is the way to go) [Next page](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/another-ipod-competitor/119049.md?page=2)