# Do webdesigners actually make it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [August 23, 2004, 8:31am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312 "2004-08-23T08:31:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![idoik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@idoik](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/idoik)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/21 "2004-08-23T17:09:29Z")
I make web sites for fun:) if some one says want some money for what you do best I say why the hell not;) ---
**Author:** ![senocular](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/senocular/32/7217_2.png) [@senocular](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/senocular)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 5:33pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/22 "2004-08-23T17:33:00Z")
> [@Kitiara](#): > > Majeye: Meh. šŸ™‚ I know. šŸ™‚ > > I cleared out the whole FTP site and forgot my footer was in there. Canā€™t be bothered to put it back tbh. šŸ˜› Iā€™ll get round to it one day. I dont see anything wrong with your footer. ā€¦ ok ok ok, _maybe_ it shrunk a little, but that ultimately saves bandwidth consumption so its all good :hugegrin: :whistle: ---
**Author:** ![DDD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@DDD](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/DDD)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 5:40pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/23 "2004-08-23T17:40:30Z")
The most important thing to understand is that not everyone could/should be there own boss. Some are just cutout for the 9-5 scene. I myself have always felt I had leadership qualities, not to mention this has been a goal of mine for sometime. Like Kit says she is happy with where she is at but also knows she has the goods to be a contractor. Happiness goes a long way. ---
**Author:** ![Unflux](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/unflux/32/7318_2.png) [@Unflux](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Unflux)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/24 "2004-08-23T17:44:16Z")
Itā€™s very interesting to see how people react when they ask what But if I was going to type anything else out to add to this conversation, I would be saying everything CanaidanGuy already said. Iā€™d say designing sites, print, etc for 6 years, working for myself and on my own, could be considered successful. =) ---
**Author:** ![Unflux](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/unflux/32/7318_2.png) [@Unflux](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Unflux)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/25 "2004-08-23T17:47:01Z")
> [@DDD](#): > > The most important thing to understand is that not everyone could/should be there own boss. Some are just cutout for the 9-5 scene. I myself have always felt I had leadership qualities, not to mention this has been a goal of mine for sometime. Like Kit says she is happy with where she is at but also knows she has the goods to be a contractor. Happiness goes a long way. this is absolutely true. My wife for example, is a person that cannot live without the security of a weekly paycheck and a daily schedule. Iā€™m the opposite, I love to make my own schedule, and the money part doesnā€™t bother me at all so long as I get paid for the work I do. Itā€™s definitely a choice, and where you are happy is definitely key. Iā€™ll never be happy working for someone else, I know that in absolution. ---
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@CanadianGuy](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/CanadianGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 6:06pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/26 "2004-08-23T18:06:36Z")
> [@UNFLUX](#): > > Iā€™d say designing sites, print, etc for 6 years, working for myself and on my own, could be considered successful. =) I agree. Way to go! šŸ˜‰ lol. Btw another perk about being self employed is that I can chat it up on k-forums whenever I want and I just took a 50 min. workout break 'cause i felt like it. lol. About the getting paid part. Yea I have some outstanding balances Iā€™ve been waiting for and it kind of sucks waiting. :lol: ---
**Author:** ![zerosignal0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@zerosignal0](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/zerosignal0)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 6:16pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/27 "2004-08-23T18:16:29Z")
> [@dru\_nasty](#): > > ^^^ Well put! :thumb: > Zero, another way to get yourself work is by developing a niche. If you offer services for a specific field, then this will reflect you as an expert of that field. Say you offer design strictly for restaurants. You would offer sites, logos, menus, and all other collateral that goes along with that industry. Or designing for the music industry. If you offer band sites, cd art, posters, t shirts, etc. this can get you noticed with record companies resulting in some nice contracts. Its just something to think about, but when starting out, like previously said, take what you can get, and just because its cheap work, do your best on it. It will pay off. hey dru your from cleveland? Im from youngstown about an hour away from you! Thats cool I finally found a person thats close to me on the board. Anyways I appriciate what everyone has told me so far! I have got a couple of sites that Ive spent a good ammount of time on to make sure that there extra special but I really do think that if I tried hard enough that I could get some more clients. I was actually thinking about going to the government and seeing about getting a small business grant and maybe opening up a shop and getting some descent advertisment along with maybe hiring in a few internship multimedia people from the local college that way we could all get what we want. If I was to go that route I would also be offering web hosting and need a building to store equipment etcā€¦ I still havent decided what road to go down yet but Ive taken everyones advice in stride! ``` Its been easier for me to really grow doing this as quickly as I have because I have a pretty solid IT background behind me... I know that you wouldnt think that would help design and really it doesnt but because of the experience that I have as a sys admin and db admin it makes it easier for me to understand the coding and the functions because I kinda understand how they interact with the computer itself. But I am going for the goal right now of what I want to do instead of just doing whatever.... I have been a network admin for 4 years (went to school and got MCSE/MCP/MCSA/MCDBA/MCSI/+A/+I/NET/CITRIX/ETC.) so I have put alot of time and efforts into the career Im currently in but SUPRISE I have 0 compasion for it anymore and I also cant take the corporate bozo!!! Ive been screwed 1 to many times by that one. I think thats why I agree most with canadian guy the same exact words have slipped off my tounge many a time and Im through having someone be the boss over me... my family is full of self employeed people and they have all been successful and I see no reason why I cant be because Ive had lesser ambition in things Ive done before and succedded so why would I not succede in what means the most to me? ``` thanks for the input I really appriciate it, Gary ---
**Author:** ![Jasninder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Jasninder](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Jasninder)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 6:47pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/28 "2004-08-23T18:47:26Z")
An Ex Dj, Chef, Software / web developer Degree holder from National institute of Information Technology , learnt hardware in those 4 years, developed interest in designing, leant all what i do on my ownā€¦started freelancing, in between i joined 2 companies. **My Record** 1st company : Banned 2nd company : Bank Corrupt Decided, i aiā€™nt gona kill another one, turned to freelancing, had contacts as my dadz business chain goes almost allover the world, started getting contacts thru himā€¦then i kinda speard allover, sply in ukā€¦70% of my clients are from thereā€¦uk designing firms, adverts, print, logo design, cd promoz. almost alll of my work is contractedā€¦no name but good money šŸ™‚ i have also lost a lot of money at times but all worth it and i learnt my lessons one by one, i dont take any indian clients from allover the world.NEVER EVER trust an indian who tells you that heā€™s gona pay 50% after the job is online on their server!! šŸ˜› Yes at times therez a lot of money and not much of a name or recognition, i do think opening up a company if u have a group of great designers & developers, whome u can trust to stay togather in high and low times is far much better then freelancing. ---
**Author:** ![Laslett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3be4f8/32.png) [@Laslett](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Laslett)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 6:49pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/29 "2004-08-23T18:49:04Z")
> [@Kitiara](#): > > Iā€™d say that the permanebt thing works pretty well. Itā€™s the way Iā€™ve always done it and Iā€™ve found itā€™s been good for the most part. You get a regular income, and you get to maintain and build on what youā€™ve already developed for a company. If you like that kind of thing. šŸ™‚ > > The downside is that I donā€™t have as many URLs to my name as other designers, since Iā€™ve only worked for four companies. But two out of those four are big companies, so Iā€™ve worked my way upā€¦ I started off way back doing Inter / Intra net. As Kit will confirm the problem nowadays is that the ease of content management systems stifles a bit of creativity for large sites. Flash isnā€™t as easy to use on large sites due to its need for compiling and its not really something that can be updated by none techies. unless youā€™re using a site to sell and need the wow factor or to be in the top 10% then to a certain extent creativity is limited. I hated doing my own sites after coming home from a day at work managing intranet / sustain corporate internet which had a direction from management where nothing too flashy could be used suffice to say the internet site is functional but very dull. Now I have very limited time in that area as I only manage a web interface for E-Self service on the intranet (and even this is to come to an end as I have a new job anyway) I enjoy my web development outside work time. ---
**Author:** ![dru\_nasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dru\_nasty](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/dru_nasty)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 6:49pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/30 "2004-08-23T18:49:59Z")
Youngstuckey! Nice! Iā€™ve been there a few times, played some shows with your local boys Cyrus.(Not sure if your into the local music scene). Youngtown, also known for their _ahem_ Chinese massage parlorsā€¦but I wouldā€™nt know anything about that. :lol: I think it was DDD who mentioned before, that it takes a certain kind of person and attitude to work for themselves. (Iā€™m too lazy to scroll up because Iā€™m self-employed):lol: Just remember that success wonā€™t happen over night, take your time, donā€™t rush, put out great work, and bust your arse. Things will fall into place eventually.šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![mjULTRA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9f8e36/32.png) [@mjULTRA](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/mjULTRA)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/31 "2004-08-23T19:00:06Z")
[http://www.basementcollege.com/freelance\_tips.html](http://www.basementcollege.com/freelance_tips.html) check out these great tips on freelancingā€¦ Basement College has got some good infoā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Laslett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3be4f8/32.png) [@Laslett](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Laslett)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/32 "2004-08-23T19:05:51Z")
> [@CanadianGuy](#): > > :lol: sen > > Kitiara thatā€™s exactly the view of so many people I know. Conicidentally those same people work 9-5. They really have no idea what I do and think that because my name isnā€™t all over the newspapers and radio that eventually Iā€™m going to fold and get a ā€˜real jobā€™. Just this weekend I got a call from an old friend telling me about a position opening up in a company he works for. I kind of laughed (a little too much I think) because he canā€™t for the life him understand why I wasnā€™t interested in the position. His reasoning was that by taking a 9-5er then Iā€™d have some security and I could do freelance on the side but in reality thereā€™s no such thing as security and Iā€™m much more comfortable relying on myself for a paycheck instead of some corporate bozo that could pull the rug out at a moments notice. > > Also, DDD I know, I know. Some of my family actually think Iā€™m a slack arse because I donā€™t do 9-5. Little do they know my hours are often 7-9. They think Iā€™ve got an easy job and I lucked out some how, however I believe itā€™s a lot more strenous (and rewarding) working with your head all day then it is digging a hole or swinging a hammer. Not to take anything away from you but I think any job that you walk away from at the end of the day thinking youā€™ve achieved something regardless of how much money you make is a good job ---
**Author:** ![Laslett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3be4f8/32.png) [@Laslett](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Laslett)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/33 "2004-08-23T19:08:46Z")
> [@DDD](#): > > The most important thing to understand is that not everyone could/should be there own boss. Some are just cutout for the 9-5 scene. I myself have always felt I had leadership qualities, not to mention this has been a goal of mine for sometime. Like Kit says she is happy with where she is at but also knows she has the goods to be a contractor. Happiness goes a long way. But if youā€™re happy doing the design for someone else then so be it. Working for yourself maybe great as you get the profits but if youā€™re not cut out for all the searching for contracts and negociating agreements and all that then you may not enjoy working for yourself in the long run ---
**Author:** ![DDD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@DDD](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/DDD)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 7:22pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/34 "2004-08-23T19:22:25Z")
majeye that is a very good link. I disagree with a few points but all in all, good stuff there. ---
**Author:** ![Disco\_Stu1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@Disco\_Stu1](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Disco_Stu1)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 7:38pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/35 "2004-08-23T19:38:46Z")
\<\<\< Best Job Ever. I do web design, web development, networking, IT, programming (xml/php/sql), and database management for a small business. Basically, I sit around on kirupa forums all day until a problem arises. I also have projects every month or so, and get paid 18 bucks an hour to do it. I also go to college full time. CanadianGuy: I understand your point, and I do a lot of ā€œside workā€ for myself too, but a 9-5 in the right situation is KILLER. 1400 bucks a paycheck every two weeks for not doing much work is great. Iā€™m basically paid for my knowledge and ability to fix issues way faster and more thouroughly than anyone theyā€™ve had before. They actually let the old networking guy go because I knew more than he did, and I was just a temporary web development guy. I guess I might get more satisfaction out of a job where Iā€™m busy and stuff all the time, but my satisfaction comes when I get home and I know I have nothing to worry about (except maybe a term paper or two). šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@CanadianGuy](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/CanadianGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 7:46pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/36 "2004-08-23T19:46:14Z")
> [@Laslett](#): > > Not to take anything away from you but I think any job that you walk away from at the end of the day thinking youā€™ve achieved something regardless of how much money you make is a good job Hmmmā€¦well if my I came off as if Iā€™m in this for the money then I mispoke. Money has never been a good motivator for me and I donā€™t think it ever will be. Iā€™m sure most self employed people will tell you that the most rewarding part of their work is being ā€˜self sufficient.ā€™ Zero it sounds great. Jump right in and before you know it great stuff starts happening. (none of this take it slow/start from the bottom crap like I was told):lol: Yea Disco, Iā€™m not happy unless Iā€™m doing something new on a daily basis. I donā€™t know? It makes me feel important. :lol: Iā€™m the type of person that needs constant praise to stay motivated and Iā€™ve never found that in ā€˜regularā€™ jobs. Maybe I just never had the right boss. ---
**Author:** ![DDD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc348/32.png) [@DDD](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/DDD)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 7:58pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/37 "2004-08-23T19:58:33Z")
yea if you are serious I would say go ahead and jump in the deep end the pool. I grew up with this saying my grandfather always told me ā€œScared money cant make moneyā€ and it has done well for me thus far. ---
**Author:** ![dru\_nasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90db22/32.png) [@dru\_nasty](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/dru_nasty)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 8:02pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/38 "2004-08-23T20:02:20Z")
> They actually let the old networking guy go because I knew more than he did, and I was just a temporary web development guy. Corporate cut-throat, which can happen anytime. Theres always going to be someone next in line to try and take your job. Im sure your up on your sh\*t since your here @ kirupa, so you donā€™t have anything to worry about.:lol: It sux but thats the way it is. @CG, sounds like youā€™ve worked for quite a few Bill Lumbergs in the past. @DDD & CG, If your commenting on an earlier post of mine, I mean for him to be patient. By all means, jump right in and start getting jobs, but do not get discouraged when your working for close to nothing, or for free for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![meatcake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@meatcake](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/meatcake)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 8:10pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/39 "2004-08-23T20:10:03Z")
oh I make A LOT of it. šŸ˜‰ I do it all the time itā€™s all I want to do. thereā€™s more work available, expoenentially, every day. oh yeahā€¦did I mention that intelligent, extremely hot, undersexed, ā€˜unbelievably-hot-in-those-glassesā€™ women think flashers are well-hung stallions? I:-) ---
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@CanadianGuy](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/CanadianGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2004, 8:28pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312/40 "2004-08-23T20:28:04Z")
:lol: DDD I love that quote! Your grandfather sounds like one cool guy! @dru no I was just speaking in general. Iā€™ve encountered more than enough naysayers and know-it-alls and I guess theyā€™ve kind of warped my mind a little. Looking back Iā€™m glad I did it like Frank Sinatra. šŸ˜ƒ [Previous page](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/do-webdesigners-actually-make-it/120312.md?page=3)