# Email template Text Positioning Issue

**URL:** https://forum.kirupa.com/t/email-template-text-positioning-issue/331571
**Category:** web dev
**Created:** [September 1, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/email-template-text-positioning-issue/331571 "2013-09-01T21:12:53Z")
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### Author: ![Pherank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@Pherank](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Pherank)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/email-template-text-positioning-issue/331571/1 "2013-09-01T21:12:53Z")

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Even though I am zeroing out margin and padding, I’m noticing that the Arial font wants to add a top margin/padding effect of about 2 to 3 px above my \<h3\>. Using Helvetica removes the extra space, but there are certainly issues with specifying Helvetica. Remvoving the \<h3\> line and just using the \<p\> does not remove the space issue. I’m guessing this has something to do with how line-height is applied within these fonts. If you click back and forth between these test pages you will see the effect:  
[http://www.burntscarlet.com/\_test/help\_forums/Kirupa/email\_template/email\_helvetica.html](http://www.burntscarlet.com/_test/help_forums/Kirupa/email_template/email_helvetica.html)  
[http://www.burntscarlet.com/\_test/help\_forums/Kirupa/email\_template/email\_arial.html](http://www.burntscarlet.com/_test/help_forums/Kirupa/email_template/email_arial.html)  
What kind of settings can I use to minimize this extra space?