Well said :bu:
Depending on the purpose and target audience of the site, a Full-Flash site can be a terrible thing. It would make sense for a motion-graphics artist to have a full-flash site with an intro and a splah page, but it really wouldn’t for a, say, local library website of some sort… 
my only problem with flash is the find thing becuase most of the time i want to find out something but i like how flash is incorperated in kirupa the intros most sites have good programmers make them and leave that nice skip bar there for you to skip.
I agree with Ahmed.
I don’t think people who are going to have alot of content and information that has to be updated daily are going to use a full flash site. The most common users of full/almost full Flash sites are bands and designers. They usually only need to update the site on a weekly/monthly basis. When was the last time you saw a news website that was 100% flash? Yeah, exactly. It might have a Flash header or main menu but the majority is HTML or PHP.
With splash pages, I used to like them, and in the case of Bily Bussey of somewhere with a couple of options to choose from I still do, but I’ve decided not to use one on my site unless I make a html version.
Alot of what Jakob Nielsen says is true but not of the majority of sites utilizing Flash. Also the ability to make great looking designs which aren’t possible in HTML is very good for designers. No-one’s going to hire you to design their site if yours looks like crap.
you can create dynamic Flash pages too 
but I agree with what most people said. fullflash sites aren’t appropriate everywhere.
they are ideal for portfolios but that’s more or less it.
Takes a helluvva long time.
does Jakob Nielsen hate php? please say no:(
Well this is a little like walking into a church and saying '‘god sux’'
Let’s use our information-architecture skills and break your statement down into its fundamental parts:
“design abuse” <- ? Design IS, and cannot be abused. A good designer can create a good design regardless of the medium he chooses to use.
“it breaks with the Web’s fundamental interaction principles”<-- And what are those, you tell me. The web’s fundamental interaction principles are…go ahead…wait i’m not done laughing yet.
“it distracts attention from the site’s core value”<-- well that would be ‘bad’, unless the site’s core value is to distract attention from fools like yourself.
Hey man, if it can load xml streaming from an rss feed, change the content of a database, create 3d navigation environments, play cartoons, make a jukebox, a keyboard-controlled piano, send email, run a video game, host a video Chat, install a cookie, provide learning tools, play advertisements, feed me every week, communicate with php, asp, cfm, mysql, xml, javascript, css, and provide PEOPLE with a fully dynamic and refreshing media experience that’s updatable every day …
then it’s cool with me.
Flash tends to degrade websites for three reasons: it encourages design abuse, it breaks with the Web’s fundamental interaction principles, and it distracts attention from the site’s core value.
some flash site that the guy visited may ‘distracts attention from the site’s core value.’ but then the problem is from the designer, not flash! Same thing about the design abuse issue, still a designer error.
weirdo, a retrograde point-of-view, i think.
He has some points, I mean, i’ve seen some horrible HTML pages and some horrible Flash pages, but the flash pages are alot more in-accessible.
Thats why I think accessibility should be rationed until people know how to use it.
thats why I think people with 5 days and 3 tutorials experience should stay away from webdesign.
HEY!
Why would he? PHP can increase usability a lot by letting people access a site the way they want.
I don’t see why one would hate php. It doesn’t have to do anything big unless you need it to. Otherwise it can make small modifications that end up saving a lot of work.
WOW, u have introduced me to my worst enemy. this guy gets WAY to much credit then he deserves. I mean does this guy not realize everyone doesn’t want all text cram into as small a spot as possible. I mean for christ sake i thought i was in '95 when i saw his site. I mean jesus christ he and his partners use terms like “data density” and critiziced the ‘free space’ when opening the search window for the first time in OSX. I mean jesus hes a critical bastard is what i think.
Not really if you know what you’re doing
mlkedave credits++ :thumb:
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