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**Created:** [July 12, 2004, 5:40pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357 "2004-07-12T17:40:19Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 15\
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 12, 2004, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/21 "2004-07-12T23:18:58Z")
The question is…
“Who IS the _average_ surfer?”
If you’re talking about the kind of person who uses their mate’s computer for the first time to check out the “bling bling”, “mo fo”, “slap ma momma up” Eminem (or insert similar, rubbish rap band here that managed to change the meaning of R&B from “Rhythm n Blues” to “Rubbish n Bulls**t") then they’re probably going to be commenting on how “phat” (yes, I went there with the "p**H\*\*”) the Flash is and they’ll be biggin’ it up with their homies (and swapping ideas of how they can include as many apostrophes in their sentences and replace as many full words with single letters).
Basically, the less content there is, the more reason there is to use Flash. Like the AC/DC website (yes, I also went there with the subliminal “fix your music tastes”) plug.
Peace out…
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/22 "2004-07-13T00:13:54Z")
[ot]I’m sensing a little ebonics-hostility here… :lol:[/ot]
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 12:41am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/23 "2004-07-13T00:41:10Z")
I like them both. They’re both really useful :pa:
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 1:20am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/24 "2004-07-13T01:20:19Z")
css+html. If you feel your audience needs some more interactivity then add some flash. I wouldnt prefer any of my design portals being flash. Even if they took just a few seconds to load and wouldnt like to wait. I just want it plain and clearly html there. Newwebpick chooses flash then html for their site which I didnt really like. Stick to html to present artwork.
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 2:19am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/25 "2004-07-13T02:19:03Z")
unless your good enough to do a site like [www.rr.com/flash](http://www.rr.com/flash) in flash you should go for a html site for informitive sites/and or sites for all users (dial up especially)… you could also combine flash and html like many sites do, with little parts in flash and little in html… so the main sections are in html but the little pictures and everything is can be in flash… well… thats about it for me i guess 😉
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/26 "2004-07-13T02:21:31Z")
> [@bwh2](#):
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> i agree w/krilnon in that at this point, most users can view flash. so viewing capability isn’t the real issue. i think the issue is how much content is on the site.
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> i prefer html sites with a reasonable amt of content for 2 main reasons:
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> 1. flash site navigation is often difficult/confusing
> 2. resizing a window in html lets you read a lot of text easily, but resizing a window in a flash site does not change the flash stage size (imagine looking at these forums in a flash file that doesn’t resize).
i disagree… there was this one fascinating site that was in flash and it had a movie series called “it” on it… it was about like this ghost and a motercycle dude… hehe… but in the site when you resized the thing, al teh little sections in the site bounced around and transitioned into the site you wanted it… it was sweet…
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 2:32am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/27 "2004-07-13T02:32:48Z")
i’m not saying it’s not possible, i’ve just never seen it. and in flash, it would be something you would have to go out of your way to do; meanwhile in html, it’s just up to the browser.
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 3:40am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/28 "2004-07-13T03:40:01Z")
I like sites that use a mixture…HTML for text stuff and flash, well, for flash stuff 🙂 I can only speak for myself, but I hate having to read a lot of text in tiny flash scrollbox.
Unflux is the first person that comes to my mind (although I’m sure other’s have similar style). I really like how he seamlessly combines his flash and html. Example: [http://www.jimmessenger.com/](http://www.jimmessenger.com/)
-teet
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/29 "2004-07-20T10:31:27Z")
[www.austinweddingprofessionals.com](http://www.austinweddingprofessionals.com) and [www.visuallyrics.com](http://www.visuallyrics.com) are 2 good html sites.
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 11:45am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/30 "2004-07-20T11:45:16Z")
> [www.austinweddingprofessionals.com](http://www.austinweddingprofessionals.com) and [www.visuallyrics.com](http://www.visuallyrics.com) are 2 good html sites.
not at all in my opinion. They might serve the purpose of informing, but are NOT eye attractive…
> The only gripe I have with Flash is the absence of a native back button.
Plus some of the flash ads are getting really annoying.
HTML.
Use anchors, have a good flash structure and the user can then use his own back button.
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 1:48pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/31 "2004-07-20T13:48:57Z")
we all love a easy useble php site:) my site is php and a some images:P
i wonder what whould happend if some one started a anti flash site lol
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 2:20pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/32 "2004-07-20T14:20:07Z")
> [@Los\_Lok](#):
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> [www.austinweddingprofessionals.com](http://www.austinweddingprofessionals.com) and [www.visuallyrics.com](http://www.visuallyrics.com) are 2 good html sites.
i’m not so sure about that either… they both struggle bigtime with colors. very beginner photoshoppy.
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 2:38pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/33 "2004-07-20T14:38:28Z")
HTML. Flash is good for complementing HTML, but shouldn’t be used to make full sites.
[Computer Love](http://www.computerlove.net/)
[Hicks Design](http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/)
[Spoono](http://www.spoono.com)
🙂
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 2:49pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/34 "2004-07-20T14:49:41Z")
Full flash sites have a purpose, but it’s generally to impress, rather than to inform.
The other problem is the basics you get in HTML (recognisable buttons/‘normal’ coloured, underlined hyperlinks) are often put in second place with a full-flash site. This makes navigation a pain, unless the author takes this into consideration.
There’s nothing more annoying than not being able to find what you’re supposed to be clicking on, no matter how good the site looks. This is the internet, not some cheesy sci-fi movie.
Then of course, in some situations, a full-flash, sci-fi movie looking, confusing button brandishing, camo-link sporting website may be exactly what is needed.
it’s all about the presentation.
If done properly, the difference between a well done full-flash site and a hybrid (flash+php, flash+html) is unnoticable. Too many people forget that.
My favourite is Flash menus/banner and the rest in php/html.
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**Author:**  [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2004, 2:58pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/flash-vs-html-what-does-the-average-surfer-want/57357/35 "2004-07-20T14:58:14Z")
> Originally Posted by Los\_Lok
> [www.austinweddingprofessionals.com](http://www.austinweddingprofessionals.com) and [www.visuallyrics.com](http://www.visuallyrics.com) are 2 good html sites.
whats so good about them? colors are dreadful!
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