# Frontenders Unite! **URL:** \ **Category:** talk\ **Created:** [August 7, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591 "2018-08-07T23:37:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![kirupa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/kirupa/32/11616_2.png) [@kirupa](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/kirupa)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/1 "2018-08-07T23:37:38Z")
So…we have front-end developers and front-end designers. While these are two distinct groups, it seems like there is more in common between them than not. They both deal with the UI (aka what you see) and less on the behind-the-scenes magic. Their primary languages are HTML, CSS, and JS. Some of the developers might dabble in UI-tools like Sketch, Framer, etc. Some of the designers might go deep into writing complex JavaScript or building React components to aid in turning their ideas into pixels. Having two different terms for essentially the same group seems a bit odd, right? Calling them front-end developers seems like it would alienate designers. Calling them front-end designers seems like it would alienate developers. Why not have a completely new title instead? I was thinking of **frontender**. There are a few uses of it on the internet to essentially refer to what I’m going for, and it captures the wide variety of roles that play a part in building out the front-end experience for a site or app. What do you all think? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![senocular](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/senocular/32/7217_2.png) [@senocular](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/senocular)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/2 "2018-08-07T23:51:42Z")
Are there also… **rearenders**? ---
**Author:** ![kirupa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/kirupa/32/11616_2.png) [@kirupa](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/kirupa)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 12:19am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/3 "2018-08-08T00:19:57Z")
Yeah. Insurance companies love them 🥁 ---
**Author:** ![krilnon](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/krilnon/32/34_2.png) [@krilnon](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/krilnon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 5:17am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/4 "2018-08-08T05:17:15Z")
I don’t think the concept you’re talking about is new at all. (Which shouldn’t be surprising given [Everything old is new again](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/668444-sooner-or-later-everything-old-is-new-again).) As @senocular noted, I think all you’re doing is noting the difference between the front and the back, not unlike the pivot in Quicksort or similar: > **[Front of house](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_of_house)** > > In the performing arts, front of house (FOH) is the part of a performance venue that is open to the public. In theatres and live music venues, it consists of the auditorium and foyers, as opposed to the stage and backstage areas. In a theatre, the front of house manager is responsible for ticket sales, refreshments, and making sure the auditorium is set out properly. > Sound operators, excluding the monitor engineers, are normally positioned in a small sectioned-off area front-of-house, surrounded... > **[Front office](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_office)** > > The front office or reception is an area where visitors arrive and first encounter a staff at a place of business. Front office staff will deal with whatever question the visitor has, and put them in contact with a relevant person at the company. Broadly speaking, the front office includes roles that affect the revenues of the business. The term front office is in contrast to the term back office which refers to a company's operations, personnel, accounting, payroll and financial departments whic... > **[Receptionist](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Front_desk)** > > A receptionist is an employee taking an office or administrative support position. The work is usually performed in a waiting area such as a lobby or front office desk of an organization or business. The title receptionist is attributed to the person who is employed by an organization to receive or greet any visitors, patients, or clients and answer telephone calls. The term front desk is used in many hotels for an administrative department where a receptionist's duties also may include room r Th... [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frontman](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frontman) [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/back\_of\_house](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/back_of_house) [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/backroom](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/backroom) ---
**Author:** ![kirupa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/kirupa/32/11616_2.png) [@kirupa](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/kirupa)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:17pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/5 "2018-08-08T23:17:45Z")
Haha! 😛 I’ll use frontenders more throughout the site as referring to designers and developers who work in HTML/CSS/JS! ---
**Author:** ![kirupa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/kirupa/32/11616_2.png) [@kirupa](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/kirupa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 12:25am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/6 "2018-08-17T00:25:11Z")
I posted a poll on Twitter about this: [https://twitter.com/kirupa/status/1030247161890390016](https://twitter.com/kirupa/status/1030247161890390016) ---
**Author:** ![senocular](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/senocular/32/7217_2.png) [@senocular](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/senocular)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/7 "2018-08-17T01:54:41Z")
But aren’t you supposing that “front-end developers” and “front-end designers” are already exclusive of the other and don’t work for this definition? Wouldn’t they then not be considerations for poll options? ---
**Author:** ![kirupa](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/kirupa/32/11616_2.png) [@kirupa](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/kirupa)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/8 "2018-08-17T03:29:09Z")
It’s only my opinion that they don’t fit this definition ☹ I think most companies (based on job descriptions!) go with one or the other as their title for the human being (or smart 🐨) that performs those front-end tasks. ---
**Author:** ![senocular](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/senocular/32/7217_2.png) [@senocular](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/senocular)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2018, 12:27pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/9 "2018-08-17T12:27:14Z")
I gotcha 😉 ---
**Author:** ![prg9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8dc957/32.png) [@prg9](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/prg9)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/frontenders-unite/638591/10 "2018-12-13T17:29:46Z")
Did you ever happen to talk with this MS comrade about it? >