# mp3's on sites **URL:** \ **Category:** random\ **Created:** [May 27, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879 "2003-05-27T16:58:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![chris9902](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eb9ed0/32.png) [@chris9902](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/chris9902)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/1 "2003-05-27T16:58:04Z")
ok am making a new music site and have 1min cuts from tracks to aviod copyright laws but is it ok to post these on sites ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 5:28pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/2 "2003-05-27T17:28:17Z")
i think posting any part of a copyrighted song is against the law so you’d better check with your local major record label company first :). ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/3 "2003-05-27T18:08:31Z")
now that not right i am only posting 1 minute thats not anything just another to see if you like an album becuase how many time have you heard a song then brought the album but it’s \*\*\*\*. i think what i am doing is great so i don’t really give a \*\*\*\* what anything thinks PS: thanks for the info just needed to double check:beam: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/4 "2003-05-27T18:27:22Z")
i still think it’s copyright infringment (if you wanna be all legal) even if you only post 1 minute. the best thing to do is contact the band or their managment, and see if you can do it. or just do it, and the worst that can happen is the record company emailing you to take it down. its pretty simple. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:38pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/5 "2003-05-27T18:38:21Z")
> \*Originally posted by thor \* > \*\*i think posting any part of a copyrighted song is against the law so you’d better check with your local major record label company first :). \*\* This is correct… Rev [edit] and if you don’t care about the laws, why did you ask the question? Just to argue with someone who gives the answer you didn’t want to hear? Also, intelligent people can express themselves without swearing. Please do so on this forum, especially when there is no provocation, or reason. [/edit] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/6 "2003-05-27T18:44:15Z")
> \*Originally posted by reverendflash \* > This is correct… Rev [edit] and if you don’t care about the laws, why did you ask the question? Just to argue with someone who gives the answer you didn’t want to hear? Also, **intelligent people** can express themselves without swearing. Please do so on this forum, especially when there is no provocation, or reason. [/edit] :sigh: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/7 "2003-05-27T19:38:52Z")
sorry, but lol @ chris :sigh: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 1:29am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/8 "2003-05-28T01:29:16Z")
i heard there’s a 15 second limit… you are ok to play up to 15 seconds of it -\>that’s what I hear anyways, double check it something about “fair use act” ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 1:42am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/9 "2003-05-28T01:42:14Z")
> \*Originally posted by prstudio \* > \*\*i heard there’s a 15 second limit… you are ok to play up to 15 seconds of it -\>that’s what I hear anyways, double check it something about “fair use act” \*\* That is incorrect. This question has been asked before… and answered somewhere… with facts… If you use \any\ portion of a copyrighted song, you are obligated to pay royalties to the owner of those rights… here is an article by the University of Florida on this very subject (Google really is a wonderful tool): [http://pirate.ifas.ufl.edu/update/cpyrht1012.html](http://pirate.ifas.ufl.edu/update/cpyrht1012.html) Rev ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/mp3s-on-sites/21879/10 "2003-05-28T21:31:35Z")
Read it to the bottom:hangover: ,and pick out the parts that you like or don’t like to justify your ownself. jt Although the Fair Use provision is in the Coypright Act, prior to the 1990s, it was seldom invoked outside of academic circles. Until the 2 Live Crew case. Fair Use seemed only to concern itself with making copies for the classroom and using portions of works in academics treateses. The Fair Use provision and the four factors to be considered in a fair use analysis were dramatically fleshed out in the 2 Live Crew case. Here, we look at the fair use provision and the four factors to be used in making a determination of fair use. Fair Use Provision of the Copyright Act - The Statutory Decree §107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair Use Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include - the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; the nature of the copyrighted work; the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors. Factor 1 - Purpose and Character of Use This first factor looks at the new work takes into account the following three sub-factors. Commercial nature or non-profit educational purposes. Preamble Purposes Criticism Comment News reporting Teaching Scholarship Research Degree of Transformation The first sub-factor (1) simply looks at the new work and determines whether it was created primarily as a for profit venture or was created for a non-profit educational purpose. While not at all determinative, this test indicates that preference will be granted to works that were created for non-profit educational purposes (like this Web page!). The second sub-factor (2) looks to see if the new work is for one of the purposes that are mentioned in the preamble of the fair use provision. It should be noted that this list is not restrictive. However, the burden of showing fair use is somewhat easier if the work is for one of these purposes. The third sub-factor (3) looks at the degree of transformation accomplished by the new work. In other words, this sub-factor seeks to determine whether the new work merely supplants the original, or whether it adds something new, with a further purpose or different character, thereby altering the first with new expression, meaning or message. Factor 2 - Nature of Copyrighted Work This second factor acknowledges that fact that some works are simply more deserving of copyright protection than others. Consequently, this portion of the test looks at the original work and attempts to determine where that work is in the spectrum of worthiness of copyright protection. Factor 3 - Relative Amount The third factor looks at the amount and substantiality of the copying in relation to the work as a whole. However, the critical determination is whether the quality and value of the materials used are reasonable in relation to the purpose of copying. This is not a pure ratio test in that using a whole work may be fair use in some circumstances, whereas using a tiny fraction of a work not qualify for fair use in other circumstances. Therefore, the quantity, as well as the quality and importance, of the copied material must be considered. Some Justices have looked to see that “no more was taken than was necessary” to achieve the purpose for which the materials were copied. Factor 4 - Effect upon Potential Market Source 17 U.S.C. § 107 (1988 ed. and Supp. IV). The fourth factor considers the extent of harm to the market or potential market of the original work caused by the infringement. This test takes into account harm to the original, as well as harm to derivative works.