# Rant: Lip Syncing is Haaarrdd **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [October 21, 2002, 8:37am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972 "2002-10-21T08:37:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Raydred](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/raydred/32/65_2.png) [@Raydred](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Raydred)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2002, 8:37am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/1 "2002-10-21T08:37:36Z")
Alright. Im trying to do some lip syncing in flash, for a cartoon im trying to develop =) But its a pain doing it frame by frame, and plus i cant really draw that well anyway. I tried that software “Magpie” but got fed up with it because im impatient. Anyone know of any automatic lip syncing? I mean where it follows a wave form formula and renderes the mouth for ya?! well there should be! hehehe ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2002, 8:46am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/2 "2002-10-21T08:46:50Z")
You shold try lip-syncing in MAX Raydred!! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2002, 9:07am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/3 "2002-10-21T09:07:57Z")
No idea. I always do it frame by frame. That’s if I want pretty much perfect sync. If I’m not too bothered or it’s a sketchy cartoon, then I’ll just get a general mouth movement going, and start and stop as and when needed. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2002, 3:50pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/4 "2002-10-21T15:50:54Z")
If you go to this site [http://www.spikything.com/](http://www.spikything.com/) and go into the “cartoon” section. Click on “spiky speaks” and watch. He says that the lip sync was achived with a modulation AS but I don’t know how to do it. Some one else might know how he achives this effect. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2002, 7:30pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/5 "2002-10-21T19:30:07Z")
I bet i know how he did it with AS… Probably used the waveform (dont know if thats the right term) and widen the mouth at a big wave and lower it on smaller ones =) Does that make sense? hehe =) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2002, 7:35pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/6 "2002-10-21T19:35:29Z")
How DO you make a MC change size etc all depending on a waveform?? I’d LOVE to learn that…! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2002, 7:44pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/7 "2002-10-21T19:44:38Z")
I dont know, but hopefully by this afternoon i Will know =) and i’ll post it here =) Im SO curious know and this stuff should be open source! =) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2002, 10:52pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/8 "2002-10-21T22:52:18Z")
Hell yeah! “fun with waveforms”… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2002, 7:40am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/9 "2002-10-22T07:40:32Z")
Hmm… Im still working on this. =) I know there is a way of doing it from within flash… What i found though is, the real-time equalizers that is commonly used in flash players, are streamed into the player, as a result, they can use a CGI to determine the “wave” value and pass it into flash… (SRC: [swift-tools.com](http://swift-tools.com)) Im testing out some possibilities for lip syncing via AS. =) This will prove interesting since i have no idea how this will work, but i WILL make it work somehow, i have some ideas =) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2002, 8:37am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/10 "2002-10-22T08:37:49Z")
Ok here is one of my tests, its cheating, but its an idea i had and it seems to work for now =) hehe. =) [http://www.raydred.com/research/lipsync.html](http://www.raydred.com/research/lipsync.html) Enjoy. =) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2002, 4:10pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/rant-lip-syncing-is-haaarrdd/6972/11 "2002-10-22T16:10:35Z")
I’m glad you can figure it out because I sure couldn’t. Good Luck with it.🙂