# Site not seen by Macs? **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [January 21, 2003, 9:42am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711 "2003-01-21T09:42:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![spence](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@spence](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/spence)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 9:42am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/1 "2003-01-21T09:42:39Z")
Hi, I’ve recently finished a website but I just found out that it can’t be viewed by Macs… Seeing as it’s aimed at the design field (which generally is Mac orientated) this is now a problem. Does anyone have any ideas why this problem has occured? I tried the site out in Netscape and I works fine. Is there something in the publish settings I’ve overlooked or something else? The site address is :www.wurr.co.uk Thanks ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/2 "2003-01-21T19:27:43Z")
the problem is its opening the swf file directly when it should have the html file click on enter on a mac and look at the url displayed it says this [http://www.wurr.co.uk/back.swf](http://www.wurr.co.uk/back.swf) i think it should say this [http://www.wurr.co.uk/back.html](http://www.wurr.co.uk/back.html) P.S. people praise macs i work with macs but honestly i see no diffrence from a mac and a pc with a pc i can do everything a mac does and then some, i dont hate macs but i dont love em either but i do love pcs that im sure of Grim ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/3 "2003-01-21T19:37:36Z")
that’s odd. my site is linked to a swf much like that one, but i see mine fine on my mac, whether i’m running OS 9 or OS X. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 10:34pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/4 "2003-01-21T22:34:43Z")
Thanks for the advise so far…😏 If I redirect the enter link to the html file rather than the swf file will the flash elements still run as normal? Spence ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 10:38pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/5 "2003-01-21T22:38:10Z")
I’ve had similar issues. Several Mac users have mentioned they’re unable to view my site at [http://www.mitchmalloy.com](http://www.mitchmalloy.com) Could any Mac users run over and confirm this? Thanks!! Jeff :cowboy: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 10:44pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/6 "2003-01-21T22:44:15Z")
My site does not have the html files downloaded, do Macs need them to be able to see the site? The only html I have downloaded is the initual index.html then it’s all swf files from then on! Is this right? Spence ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 10:51pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/7 "2003-01-21T22:51:52Z")
first, you should \always\ use HTML to embed your .swf files. second, this is a thread from a while back with this exact thing (I did a search) : [http://www.kirupaforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=85256#post85256](http://www.kirupaforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=85256#post85256) not embeding your .swf files will not make it unreadable by either platform, but can make your files look real bad on different resolutions (think of how your site will look @1600x1200, and @ 800x600… if you don’t use HTML, you have no control over how the browser is sized (non-maximized windows)),etc… I hope thread helps [edit] good to see you Dex [/edit] Rev ![](http://www.aulman.com/rev.gif) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 11:01pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/8 "2003-01-21T23:01:14Z")
By embeding the swf files do you literally mean including the html files published by flash aswell as the swf files and downloading the lot to my host? Spence ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2003, 11:49pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/9 "2003-01-21T23:49:42Z")
Published or created by you either will do. One other thing, I would put solid Hit areas for your buttons. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 12:34am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/10 "2003-01-22T00:34:29Z")
> P.S. people praise macs i work with macs but honestly i see no diffrence from a mac and a pc with a pc i can do everything a mac does and then some, i dont hate macs but i dont love em either but i do love pcs that im sure of Grim Hey Grim, Nowadays the Mac and PC are just about the same. But the thing to realize is that the Apple has been innovating for the last 20 years. Macs laid the ground work for the design software and GUIs of today. If it wasn’t for the Mac, we’d still be typing in DOS commands. 😉 And you have to admit, they have some cool product design (iPods, PowerBooks, iMacs, etc). One more thing to note - Mac OS X is Unix and is an extremely powerful operating system. Once again, innovation. (and yes, I love my Macs - all 6 of them) - Lex ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 2:29am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/11 "2003-01-22T02:29:27Z")
i love my mac too!!! “think different.” ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 2:37am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/12 "2003-01-22T02:37:01Z")
Macs are awesome, and not putting down either platform, but Apple did not actually invent the GUI. It was developed by Xerox or something. Then Apple paid Xerox for the idea, and then Microsoft stole the idea, but it was such a general idea that it was bound to be stolen. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 3:31am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/13 "2003-01-22T03:31:52Z")
Actually, Apple stole it from Xerox, and then Microsoft stole it from Apple. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 3:04pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/14 "2003-01-22T15:04:32Z")
Yes yes yes… getting back to the original question (sort of) by embedding the swf files do you mean literally downloading the html files also to your web host? And do I need to link my enter button to the html file rather than the swf? :-\ worried look for starting off any more Mac/Pc wars… but if anyone is interested the only reason I went for a Pc is that the software/hardware for Pc’s is more accessable here in the UK and in most cases cheaper? I know a lot more stores are catering for Macs now but a couple of years ago when I was looking for a computer Macs were quite hard to find and pretty expensive. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 3:25pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/15 "2003-01-22T15:25:36Z")
Macs still are expensive. Anyways as to your post yes link the enter button to the html file created by flash with your swf embedded, just upload the html and the swf file to your sever and have your enter button linked to the html file flash generates Grim ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/16 "2003-01-22T17:51:16Z")
Using a PC my problem is when I publish my swf into an html file it includes script for the browser prompt for pc based machines. If the user doesn’t have the flash 6 plugin they will be promted to click yes in the download window. This only works on PCs. It doesn’t work on macs when the swf is published on a pc. So, the mac user has to go to [macromedia.com](http://macromedia.com) and download their plugin which they then have two choices to choose from. :hangover: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/17 "2003-01-22T18:00:03Z")
There are several ways to detect if Flash is installed, or if the correct version is installed. I’ve used one from the Macromedia website called “The Flash Deployment Kit”. I think there may be some info floating around on this site. (I’m a newbie here) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 6:33pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/18 "2003-01-22T18:33:03Z")
yeah, you definitely want to link to the HTML with the flash embedded b/c, as reverendflash noted, this is what controls your presentation size. As for detecting the plugin, kirupa has an amazing tutorial that I use with all my movies: [http://www.kirupa.com/developer/mx/detection.asp](http://www.kirupa.com/developer/mx/detection.asp) What’s stellar about this is that if your user doesn’t have the plugin & it doesn’t auto-install, then the user will just see an image replacement so the experience isn’t a total wash. Thus you can also have a link to get the plugin and hopefully they will realize that what they see isn’t the entire package. As for Macs, they are dear to my heart, but I’ve been disappointed lately that most of the innovation has been slick product design, lately at the expense of usability and software enhancements. :-\ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 8:00pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/19 "2003-01-22T20:00:56Z")
Thanks Grim, I’ll give it a try and see if it works. Ta =) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 9:37pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711/20 "2003-01-22T21:37:06Z")
sorry if I’m being off topic… [http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui\_history.html](http://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html) > Apple did not “rip-off” the Macs UI from Xerox. Apple had hired some people from Xerox (like Jef Raskin, Bruce Horn) who believed in concepts of a Graphical User Interface. These concepts are pretty broad – like making a computer easier to use by using graphics (icons), using menus, windows and making a consistent interface to do things. The work on these concepts predates Xerox PARC – in fact it was many of these peoples individual work on those concepts that got them hired at PARC. So Xerox (PARC) brought them together to refine them. 🙂 [Next page](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/site-not-seen-by-macs/11711.md?page=2)