# Style VS. Design **URL:** \ **Category:** random\ **Created:** [May 28, 2003, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927 "2003-05-28T03:01:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 8:35am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/61 "2003-05-30T08:35:56Z")
> Oh, I mean, I know style is not the same as design. I’m saying I hope he’s wrong about most web designers not knowing it. Ahem. I think he’s right on the mark with that. I mean… we added a “none of the above” vote to the Kirupa site of the week contest just because there were weeks where none of the submissions were worthy of the honor. Everyone and their mother is making web pages… but a bare minimum of those have any formal or even self taught training in the field of design. I guess that’s just my opinion though… I really couldn’t tell you how many there are…just seems to me to be a lot. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:06am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/62 "2003-05-30T09:06:15Z")
A friend of mind does Graphic art for companies. Some interesting stuff, a lot of boring stuff, mortgage leaflets, etc. Each time she’s acked for a layout, she does three. She does an ordinary one. Not too functional, not to flashy. She does a bog standard really basic one. And she does an interesting one which actually stretches her talents and tries to incorporate something unusual. She then presents all three to the client. About 70% of the time they choose the bog basic one. And the rest of the time they choose the ordinary, middle ground one. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:27am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/63 "2003-05-30T09:27:46Z")
Now that is a good policy to perform for your clients. At least you’re giving them the options, and the limitations that they may be faced with up front. If they still want the unloadable mess of Flashy gismos… well there’s nothing you can do… but at least you tried. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:29am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/64 "2003-05-30T09:29:49Z")
the customer is always right. even when they’re wrong. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:33am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/65 "2003-05-30T09:33:30Z")
Yeah, I always tend to do that here at work. They ask for a design and I do one boring, one middle of teh road, and one flashy. Surprisingly I’ve had a good response. They generally want the middle one, but with some of the flashier bits incorporated, now they’ve realised the sorts of things that are possible. 🙂 It’s kinda like opening their eyes to new options. :beam: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:36am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/66 "2003-05-30T09:36:41Z")
> \*Originally posted by Pierce Gleeson \* > \*\*the customer is always right. even when they’re wrong. \*\* How true. Right now i’m making a site at 900x600 pixels. And with fonts no smaller then 14. This site is going to be so \*\*\*\* big a blind person can read it lol. No matter how much pleading and reasoning we did with him he wanted it this way. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:38am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/67 "2003-05-30T09:38:04Z")
> \*Originally posted by Kitiara \* > \*\*It’s kinda like opening their eyes to new options. :beam: \*\* > I make no comments about Kit being an eye-opener 😉 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:40am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/68 "2003-05-30T09:40:34Z")
Mornin’ Asphalt. 🙂 Sintax - sometimes they just won’t listen to reason. If I had a pound for everytime I’ve felt like beating my head (or theirs, actually) against a brick wall, I’d have… well, a lot of pounds. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:43am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/69 "2003-05-30T09:43:06Z")
mooooooooornin’ :love: exhibition today, I should get ready and stuff! Oh, and yeah, I like to come up with 2 or 3 designs for a client… maybe next time I should try and do a range of different potential sites (basic, flashy, crazy) as opposed to 3 bloody awful, gawdy pieces of crap! w00t! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:44am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/70 "2003-05-30T09:44:54Z")
But if your client likes bloody awful gaudy crap, then sometimes that’s what you have to give them. Then disassociate yourself as much as is humanly possible. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:45am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/71 "2003-05-30T09:45:59Z")
hehehe, too true, too true! 🙂 are you gonna bunk work and come and see me in sunny chelsea? :love: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:51am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/72 "2003-05-30T09:51:27Z")
The chances of my being able to skive off are minimal - I have my formal review this afternoon… Is there a paranoia smilie? There should be. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:54am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/73 "2003-05-30T09:54:53Z")
☹ actually… wtf am I talking about? lool! firstly: it’s not til this evening anyway… secondly, it’s private view today. sorry, blonde moment. _cough_ but there are still 4 other days when people can come and see it _cough_ ooh, excuse me! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:56am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/74 "2003-05-30T09:56:06Z")
Plug plug. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:58am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/75 "2003-05-30T09:58:31Z")
no, it’s just a bad cough… _cough_ sorry for hijacking! (w00t! go teh English!) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 9:59am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/76 "2003-05-30T09:59:21Z")
There ought to be a special thread for the English to dick around with… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:01am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/77 "2003-05-30T10:01:01Z")
ye! Kirupa, English forum plz! ( for me, Soul and Kit… to dick around with(?) oh my! :stunned: ) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:03am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/78 "2003-05-30T10:03:58Z")
Did I say something funny? 😛 That’s a normal phrase round Medway. No innuendo intended for once. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:15am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/79 "2003-05-30T10:15:55Z")
:sure: Back to the topic your two :+) The best way to show your clients the possible designs you are going to give them, why not make a storyboard? That way if they don’t like anything about the design you can just change it until they do! And when you start making the project they can pay you 80% of your fee! You wont have to make 3 designs and end up only using one throwing away the rest. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2003, 10:23am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927/80 "2003-05-30T10:23:19Z")
I tend to keep hold of all the stuff that gets rejected and re-use it on other projects. 😛 Just because one lot of people didn’t like it doesn’t mean a different set of people won’t. I figure if the idea is a good one, you can always re-work it if it’s close to another brief… 🙂 [Previous page](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/style-vs-design/21927.md?page=5)