# Tables & Accessibility

**URL:** <https://forum.kirupa.com/t/tables-accessibility/256531>\
**Category:** random\
**Created:** [April 3, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/tables-accessibility/256531 "2008-04-03T20:51:33Z")\
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**Author:** ![shane\_c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@shane\_c](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/shane_c)\
**Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/tables-accessibility/256531/1 "2008-04-03T20:51:33Z")

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So I’ve been looking into different CMS’s, (Drupal, WordPress, and Joomla) for a project I’ll be working on soon. I think Drupal sounds cool, but would most likely be overkill for this project, and I don’t have the time to spend on what I’ve heard is a steeper learning curve right now. So basically, I’m trying to figure out between WordPress and Joomla…

While looking at the Joomla demo, I discovered, much to my dismay, that they were using tables for layout, even in their new version 1.5 that was just released (stable) in January! I looked a little more into this, since I thought this was odd, and found [this article](http://www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog/tableless-joomla.html). Basically it just says that, while not recommended, tables can still be used for layout, while maintaining accessibility and valid code. For some reason, I’m having a hard time accepting this, since as a web designer I’ve been trained to feel a sharp pain in my sternum at the mere mention of tables. What do you guys think about this?

Also, any thoughts on WP vs Joomla in general, for a pretty simple site with e-commerce?