# There are times when I hate HTML
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**Created:** [August 9, 2013, 8:40am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/there-are-times-when-i-hate-html/331478 "2013-08-09T08:40:20Z")\
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**Author:**  [@kirupa](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/kirupa)\
**Post date:** [August 9, 2013, 8:40am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/there-are-times-when-i-hate-html/331478/1 "2013-08-09T08:40:20Z")
…and those times revolve around doing anything that goes beyond simply placing contents in a giant block. This afternoon, I decided to update the menus on the site around a bit:
That seems simple enough. As it turned out, it ended up taking over 3 hours of fiddling with margins, paddings, fighting with existing style rules, and integrating it with the existing menu which I kinda didn’t do a good job creating initially.
The menu works now on all the major browsers and your iPhones and iPads, but I do miss how easy it was to do something like that in Flash.
\*\*Note:
\*\*I haven’t added the drop-down to the forums. That will require fighting with vBulletin, and I’m simply too weak to deal with that today haha.
:mummy: