# Whatchya think? **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [March 11, 2004, 7:47pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184 "2004-03-11T19:47:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ahmed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8c91f0/32.png) [@ahmed](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/ahmed)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 7:47pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/1 "2004-03-11T19:47:50Z")
[http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm](http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5365.htm) :stunned: :whistle: ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/2 "2004-03-11T19:52:19Z")
geez… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 7:54pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/3 "2004-03-11T19:54:38Z")
What the \*\*\*\* is those guy’s problem !?? 😱 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/4 "2004-03-11T19:56:28Z")
Still trying to figure that one out, heh… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2004, 7:59pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/5 "2004-03-11T19:59:05Z")
Behold: mankind. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/6 "2004-03-12T19:45:30Z")
well if you look at just the 30 yeah they are animals, but you have understand that this video is propaganda aimed to make them lookt that way. We dont’ know how they got that situation, what happened 30 seconds before, a minute before. Also considering soldiers are just getting picked off around there I think you can understand their anxiety. This is not to justify their actions, but before we judge we need to attempt to understand. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 7:51pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/7 "2004-03-12T19:51:00Z")
> \*Originally posted by ahmed \* > \*\*Aw who moved this to ordered? It was meant to be more or less an eye opener, something interesting i though i’d share, not to start off a discussion =) \*\* not me. I simpathize ahmed. we are awful quick to move a thread lately. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 8:20pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/8 "2004-03-12T20:20:58Z")
Oh I did ahmed 🙂 I’ll move it back. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/9 "2004-03-12T21:08:54Z")
I also think these thirty seconds are quite shocking but it’s of course only forty seconds. You should be careful condemning those soldiers based on those 30 secs. [size=1](Yeah I know I’m saying the exact same thing as the others but I wanna make a nice compilation :P)[/size] I think you also have to keep in mind that those soldiers better don’t see the enemies as human beings, or else they’ll freak out and be derpressed and all, I think they’re making a game of it cuz it would be less hard mentally, they’ve also received a training that has kinda brainwashed them… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 9:37pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/10 "2004-03-12T21:37:49Z")
> I think you also have to keep in mind that those soldiers better don’t see the enemies as human beings, or else they’ll freak out and be derpressed and all, I think they’re making a game of it cuz it would be less hard mentally, they’ve also received a training that has kinda brainwashed them… This is exactly why any normal human being should condemn war - especially the Iraqi one… People going to war are not in a safe state of mind. And why are you all so keen to criticize a media when you are fed the same type of propaganda (only the other way) at home - not realizing it ? I guess one has already done its deed… Unflux: > it’s war, what do you expect? besides, it’s old news, and totally > out of context. What you dont see is the iraqi run around the > corner a min before that with an ak47. So, don’t judge the Marines by that video alone. Certainly not the marines - but I think im right to say this guy is a total as$hole Redrvltn > It’s a war, so from their prospective it’s not a human being, but the enemy. Hello - Im an american soldier in a country which is not my own - mind if I kill a few people since we’re at war ? No, I don’t care if they are civilians or not… I’m sorry, okay maybe the guy in the video was a guerrilla soldier, then Im glad he was killed. But what you said is absolutely ridiculous… Being at war is not an excuse for turning your brain and common sense off… Being humane will bring peace, war won’t. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 9:55pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/11 "2004-03-12T21:55:52Z")
most of us probably does not know what it is like to be in war, but what I do know is that we do not know what transpired before that footage, so this video is terribly out of context. We dont know if he had a bomb strapped to his chest or what. As far as what the soldier said…man this is war. You have to have nerves and balls of steel. You cannot be a bleeding heart kind of person in a hostile situation. Now if they showed the whole video and this was some dude walking home whistling carry his groceries then we should complain. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 9:57pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/12 "2004-03-12T21:57:20Z")
whatever the case may have been, that man was in no condition to fight back. I hear that you lose your morality when you’re on a battlefield. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:02pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/13 "2004-03-12T22:02:18Z")
yea I can imagine that…but like I said what if he had a bomb strapped to him so he still posed a threat long as he could detonate himself…we dont know the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/14 "2004-03-12T22:05:17Z")
> \*Originally posted by mlkdesign \* > \*\*Hello - Im an american soldier in a country which is not my own - mind if I kill a few people since we’re at war ? No, I don’t care if they are civilians or not… I’m sorry, okay maybe the guy in the video was a guerrilla soldier, then Im glad he was killed. But what you said is absolutely ridiculous… Being at war is not an excuse for turning your brain and common sense off… Being humane will bring peace, war won’t. \*\* The only way a soldier can properly function as a soldier is if they do exactly that. Common sense and thought interfere with orders. A soldier is no more than a living tool to be used by the army. Military functionality relies on the fact that soldiers do not think. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/15 "2004-03-12T22:05:49Z")
That’s true. But they certainly seemed to have been having fun shooting at him, which just isn’t right. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:09pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/16 "2004-03-12T22:09:13Z")
> The only way a soldier can properly function as a soldier is if they do exactly that. Common sense and thought interfere with orders. A soldier is no more than a living tool to be used by the army. Military functionality relies on the fact that soldiers do not think. Then I cannot consider a soldier humane and human, the more reasons to express my hatred towards occupying armies. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/17 "2004-03-12T22:15:19Z")
That was just plain wrong. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:17pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/18 "2004-03-12T22:17:33Z")
we are ignoring a serious point…we do not know the context of the full incident. To have such a strong opinion on the 30 second clip tat does not show the full situation, is rather short sighted dont you think? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:23pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/19 "2004-03-12T22:23:08Z")
> \*Originally posted by DDD \* > \*\*To have such a strong opinion on the 30 second clip tat does not show the full situation, is rather short sighted dont you think? \*\* I don’t give a rats’ behind (:x), I’m intitled to my own opinion, and if you think it’s a shortsighted one, so be it. All I know is that what those guys did was sick, even if he had run around the corner with an AK-47. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184/20 "2004-03-12T22:28:06Z")
well yes you are entitled but I was not downing your opinion, but condemning their actions without kowing the full story??..go figure…now if that dude had detonated hisself and killed hundreds all because of some soldier who felt kind hearted and did not want to shoot…would you commend that soldier? For not killing the guy? [Next page](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/whatchya-think/45184.md?page=2)