# Why is there an empty space here?

**URL:** <https://forum.kirupa.com/t/why-is-there-an-empty-space-here/286795>\
**Category:** web dev\
**Created:** [April 21, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/why-is-there-an-empty-space-here/286795 "2009-04-21T03:56:05Z")\
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**Author:** ![Gundark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@Gundark](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/Gundark)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/why-is-there-an-empty-space-here/286795/1 "2009-04-21T03:56:05Z")

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Hey.

I’m doing the development of a website for a family member (not my normal type of development) and I’m having some CSS issues. :megaman\_classic:

[http://www.dixonwoodworking.com](http://www.dixonwoodworking.com/)

Why is there a space between the header image and the navbar? All the margins and paddings are set to 0, so where is this space coming from? :mr\_t:

Also, why can’t I get any top margin on the light gray inner box?

Thanks in advance CSS masters!