# Your experience comparison **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [November 10, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109 "2003-11-10T18:05:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RussianBeer](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/forum.kirupa.com/russianbeer/32/152_2.png) [@RussianBeer](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/RussianBeer)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/1 "2003-11-10T18:05:50Z")
See, I got an annoying pissed of client on me arse, complaining how I am taking too long, did I say my client is annoying? Anyway, I am wondering how long should this project usualy take you guys. I am buidling a website to advretise and rent a couple of vacation condos. Anyway , there is about 10 pages big, + photo gallery (however long that can be [say another 3]). And about modifing each page about 3 times until the client is satesfied with it. Appart from whats on the serfice, there is a bit of PHP for a couple of forms involved (possibly a shopping cart), and there may even be a transfer of domains. Keep in mind, I am doing this part-time, as I got school and another job, and the client knows this… So how long should I be taking with this, or if you where a client how long would you expect it to take? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 6:09pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/2 "2003-11-10T18:09:34Z")
1-2 weeks ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 6:18pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/3 "2003-11-10T18:18:12Z")
well without shopping cart - and just the framework for the photo gallery 2-3 weeks at max…with your schedule… but clients don’t usually care about your schedule …unless you know them personally. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 6:25pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/4 "2003-11-10T18:25:13Z")
Its not that I want them to care, I want them to understand and have correct expectations, most if not all web developers and designers around here, or even the ones from the unis here charge at the cheapest, around 100$ a webpage, + extra for shopping cart and what-not. I agreed for half, because she seen my work, I did other work for her, and possible she might refer me to others. The biggest thing, is she modify the page so much, about 3 times each page, and not because I don’t do it right, its because she gets these ephianies from time to time, and forgets to include them in the intial update. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/5 "2003-11-10T23:29:11Z")
need more opinions _bump di bump bump_ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 11:32pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/6 "2003-11-10T23:32:55Z")
then mark down when she does changes which are beyond the scope of the project. If you haven’t laid out the scope of the project, that is your first problem. You should have at least a story board, I go a step further and make partially working comps, and have the client sign off on them (literally), then you have backup to your time issues. Otherwise, it is simply your word against theirs, and it already sounds like they don’t believe you. You prob should be charging by the hour, not by the page as well. That would cut down a lot on the “modifications.” Rev ![](http://aulman.com/rev.gif) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/7 "2003-11-10T23:33:56Z")
well I’m not a professional but it would take me 4 weeks if I was lucky without any modifications. With modifications it could go on for quite some time. 2 months even. I have first hand expirence with modifications, they really suck. I gotta start charging by the hour. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 11:51pm UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/8 "2003-11-10T23:51:59Z")
Not in all instances should you charge by the hour though… There are sometimes a set quote will get you more in the long run than an hourly rate… But for annoying customers and WANT WANT WANT… Make sure you set them straight with the hourly charge… But timespan say… 1-3 weeks… I’d have to take a closer look at the coding to tell you. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 12:11am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/9 "2003-11-11T00:11:27Z")
true, but you always need a scope of project to begin with, either way. I have some clients who ask for an estimate, then only want to pay that price, regardless of my time. Those clients, however, don’t give any change orders… Rev ![](http://aulman.com/rev.gif) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 1:37am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/10 "2003-11-11T01:37:04Z")
Thats what quotes are for Alex you make an estimate of how many hours it will take you to build the site and how much you will charge, then you add an a 15% to 25% inflation to the original price so you will cover any setbacks, so if you do a good quote and finish it on time you have a 25% profit extra for doing such a good job :beam: and make sure you set the rules straight right from the start I usually give them 3 revisions for design after those three i begin to charge extra for each modification or revision, just make them sign a contract with all theses rules and guidelines and you will save yourself some trouble and have everything legal in terms of the law. Just make a rules and guidelines sheet for all your projects and hand it to the client along with the quote if you need some help let me know i can send you my rules and guidelines sheet so you can have a basic idea 😉 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 1:48am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/11 "2003-11-11T01:48:23Z")
Send it! I didnt give it that much tought, thats a good idea. Thanks Guys its already a pretty stupid situation going on. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 2:10am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/12 "2003-11-11T02:10:42Z")
And thankfully I am moving to a stable web desing postition next week! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/13 "2003-11-11T03:16:54Z")
got a email i can send you the files to?? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/14 "2003-11-11T03:19:36Z")
there ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:24am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/15 "2003-11-11T03:24:33Z")
huh??? it would help if you actually posted your email my Russian friend ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:45am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/16 "2003-11-11T03:45:02Z")
button “email” !!! Ruskies are slow… you think…umm NOT! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:50am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/17 "2003-11-11T03:50:12Z")
dont you think it would be nice to actually attach the files so you can view them :sigh: i guess Ruskies are slow… and lazy maybe 😉 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:50am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/18 "2003-11-11T03:50:47Z")
[.com](mailto:.com) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:51am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/19 "2003-11-11T03:51:43Z")
make sure its empty files are 450kb each ---
**Author:** ![system](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/uploads/kirupa/original/3X/6/2/621e5c11736f46532526e61be85940af4230f3e5.png) [@system](https://forum.kirupa.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:52am UTC](https://forum.kirupa.com/t/your-experience-comparison/35109/20 "2003-11-11T03:52:17Z")
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