Flash website and html - for search engines help

hi guys,
this might be pretty basic stuff but i have no clue on how to do it… i hope one of you can help me.
im finishing a website done in flash mx, exported the index.html and my swf, its all online and works alrite. now how can i make it ‘findable’ by search engines? i went to google and it didnt find it at all.
is there any other step? do search engines not read htmls that link to swfs?

i added the <meta> tags with keyworkds in the index.html and thought that would do… how can i make it work.
any comments help would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
>.<
c

simple, submit your site to searh engines, theres also search engine submissions apps on the net, try download.com, aswell an even basic method is added simple meta tags, or even open open up your html doc using notepad, and add keywords, in the head part of ur html, or below that at the start of ur body tags in the html document. Then sooner or later a search engine spider will probably pick it up, especially if you submitted to google or yahoo, takes at least 2-3 weeks, and try putting in keywords to try and bring up your site, it should work, worked for me over a few times :stuck_out_tongue:

I don’t want to drag you into my own private hell here, but I have been trying to find out a lot about this recently. From what I now know.

1.) Search Engines do not like, or even index Flash. Because it is a graphics based program all the keyword goodies that engines love is locked away far out of reach of the spiders.

2.) There was talks between Macromedia & one of the big engines for them to run some special app that Macromedia had come up with to improve Flash detection, but this has now all fallen on it’s t*ts.

3.) Meta tags do not really work any more, most people who work in SOE don’t even use them. Try to put a limited number of keywords in the <title> tag separated by :.

4.) Most of the big SE players use links & search word frequency within a site to assist in ranking. Try to use a “Splash Page” & get linked up with some popular sites. For this to work, I don’t know if they have to have a link to your site on their page, or if just a link to them works.

This whole Search Engine Optimisation is a science within it’s self. If anyone can add to the above or has any further views on it I would be interested to read their views as well.

Ps. There are a few good tutorials on the subject, but it all seems a bit of a muddle to me at the moment.

I laugh whenever I see someone say that, they are either misinformed, or couldn’t get their site listed, so they figure its rocket science :stuck_out_tongue:

Rule #1 about search engines, search engines ALWAYS looks for keywords, so… so use that to your advantage, as long as you have a lot of keywords in your html for your flash movie (in the head or body tags), 9 times out of 10 it will get logged on a search engine, down below, prime example of flash being indexed lol, it is NOT rocket science, if you think its hell, it really isn’t if you know how search engines work. Its all about keywords, as you can see down below, i just typed in my design firms name into google.ca “cgnemedia” you’ll see right away google even shows my site description aswell as it being flash. Anyhow, search engine submissions is a sinch for me, all u need is, a good domain name, keywords in your html, and submit your site to search engines, and you are set, plus I get payed to do this for clients as a living, so this is fairly simple to me :stuck_out_tongue:

Take a look at this: cgnemedia - Google Search

View the source code of my splash pages, and you’ll see that some keywords can go a long way in getting your site logged and ip spider checked.

snypa |2, i have a question regarding your post: i had heard the same thing as Pup 100 said in his post (flash sites not getting spidered), the link you provided had both a version of your site as an html and a flash site, couldn’t it be that its the html one that is being read, and carrying the flash one on piggyback?

im just talking out of ignorance here…
thanks a bunch guys for the feedback :slight_smile:
c

Google spiders are not going to read your Flash’s content, but it will still read your HTML meta :slight_smile:

It depends, I use html to keep my flash movies from resizing, and if you also have html enabled text in your flash doc, it could show up, but personally I’m more for putting keywords into my html, a google bot will always pick it up, regardless if I use html on every page or not, meta tags are great too, they are a added bonus, but keywords are the most important.

Thats possible, aswell, so long as you have your flash in html, and make your html files search-engine friendly (meaning: add keywords & metatags) you should have no problems at all.

Surprise, surprise, just last week I got a complaint from my client’s technical guy. He’s actually just another Flash Basher. Here I quote word by word what he said in the email:

A lot of developers don’t consider the downside of a flash based site which is that virtually none of the major search engines will index the site, which makes you much less visible to the world.

There’s another patronizing words from him but I quote only that paragraph. I actually already sick and tired with discussion wether Flash Is Good/Bad include the point of the way the search engine dealing with them.

But now, if it’s true that search engine cannot index full blown website, why my fullblown flash website come up at number one in google. Check this out : bnd solutions - Google Search.

Here’s what I do:

  1. Always put title between head tag.
  2. Create a “splash page”. Within this splash page put meta-keywords, and meta description. Copy the meta description as html text in your body section.
  3. Now it’s really depend on your creativity the way you want to create your splash page. It can be static page with some links to any plugins that going to be used in your site with enter button, or like myself, I put page redirection with flash plugins check, bypass the yada yada in the splash page.

Next point: google spider and flash content. Yes if this spider thingy will crawl into the content of your site, how bad you want your content to be indexed? Do you think it’s necessary to enable web spider if your project will only be a portfolio site?

Because, If you still want your content to be indexed, then what you need to do is just go back to meta words above,and add them there. The lesson from this point is that, you really need a good project brief before you handle any web project. Include in this good project brief is how do you want the content of your site to be indexed in search engine. From this point you will decide wether the project will be presented in Flash &/or HTML

If you want to do a content management system project, then flash is not the best thing to go. Remember, NOT that Flash is bad, it’s just because there is limittation in Flash. There is flash based CMS development until now (Theory 7), but it’s not as robust as HTML combine with server side scripting. I remember a while back there’s someone post a question in this forum here how to create discussion board in Flash. Most of the answer is “Good Luck”. Again, NOT that Flash is bad (cannot do that objective) but because this is a crazy thing to do.

HTML and Flash has different benefits toward different project. It’s your “design value” to juggle between those two things. I want you to join me to not segragate which one is better. This topics is just so tiresome and cliche. For me, beside information, (web) design is also about impression and campaign. Until today, web/screen designer dealing with limitation, and it’s a bit of “art” to combine those limitation to create near-perfect end-result. Flash will always be a good friend of mine to support that idea.

You might want to read a relevant good site I found about Jakob Nielsen (Usability “Guru”) here : Demystifying Usability . Look down to the line: How Usable is Jakob Nielsen?

Have a good day/night!

again thanks for the comments/feedback :thumb:
ill put those keywords and cross my fingers then

c

I take on board your points Snypa |2 but I do wonder why Macromedia went to all the bother & cost of developing a program (never implemented) to be used by search engines to make Flash more (or even just!!) Search Engine friendly.

My understanding; & have spoken to somebody who is paid a lot of money to be on top of this subject, is that Google in particular likes to burrow down into a site through links & picks up on search word frequency. This & the amount of times a site (or a site that is linked to your site) appears dictates your ranking.

I stand to corrected as mentioned earlier from looking at this for over a month now the whole thing, at best, is very confusing.

http://www.isedb.com/news/article/991

Hmm some very good points …

interesting read