again you deride the links without even reading them, im fully aware of everything you mentioned but the fact is kirupa your government IS TRYING TO PASS THIS BILL.
Will you guys let it happen ?
*Originally posted by ave *
I am amazed that americans can sit back and joke about this, id be very worried indeed if i were you.
Nothing like what you are saying would be allowed to happen. I read the links, but again I find nothing scary about what is happening. Those websites are made by extreme liberals who turn everything the government does into a conspiracy. As an American citizen I can honestly say that I am not worried about that happening.
Its not because I am desensitized into obedience of our government or anything nonsense like that. Common sense will not allow for this to happen. That is how are goverment is set up. There are the three banches that check eachother to make sure that neither gets too much power. Even if this bill is pushed thru congress will it would be declared unconstitutional and shot down by the Supreme Court after 20 minutes.
We have had the same government in the US with any major problems for 200+ years. I don’t think one dumb Texan is going to take over the world…
Even if this bill is pushed thru congress will it would be declared unconstitutional and shot down by the Supreme Court after 20 minutes.
unless they hide its various points in other smaller unimportant bills…which they are already doing.
And im not suggesting that it is one dumb texan , far from it he is just a puppet for many others.
Also even if they DONT pass it the very fact that your ruling government ,which i might add controls the biggest military and financial power in the world, wants to impose martial law in its own people is surely cause for concern not flipancy.
Nothing like what you are saying would be allowed to happen
Bet they said that in pre Nazi germany didnt they…
Ave, pre-Nazi Germany built roads. Does that mean, all road construction has to do with Nazis. You are being overly naive about the politics here. The Supreme Court has and will strike down laws that it finds and will violate the Constitutional rights. Acts such as the Patriot Act, religious statements, guantanomo bay, and portions of other “omg I can’t believe they did that look what I found” actions have been severely diminished by various courts in the US.
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I don’t know Phil - those Acts never did anything besides exist on paper. It’s an unenforceable act don’t you think?
Yeah - that’s why I am not too worried about the latest weekly “they are coming after me” worries. It won’t pass because each branch of Gov’t tries to keep each other in check. It is like watching three pre-school kids at a local library fighting for the same pop-up book. The chance that one will have access to that book for more than one second is slim :beam:
Yeah - that’s why I am not too worried about the latest weekly “they are coming after me” worries. It won’t pass because each branch of Gov’t tries to keep each other in check. It is like watching three pre-school kids at a local library fighting for the same pop-up book. The chance that one will have access to that book for more than one second is slim
thats what they want you to think, do you really believe the governments of our countries are as incompitent as they appear ??
Also if bush gets his way NATO will be able to enforce civil law in the good old US…and yes while this MAY never happen the very fact that the most powerful government in the world would sponsor and back and try to pass such nonsense as the patriot act is scary.
Also open your eyes your civil liberties have already been drastically reduced due to 9/11 and those evil box cutter terrorists…funny how outrageous laws and policies slip through unoticed in times of trouble isnt it.
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I’m not worried at all about this, I don’t think anyone should be. It’s not like Bush is going to deploy the armed forces into Vermont, and take out Howard Dean.
I don’t think this is very serious at all - It’s more on the lines of homeland security
Me = Not worried in the least
I don’t think people should be worried, just concerned, just because there are goverment checks dosent mean one branch can or should start passing all sorts of laws.
If one branch is over turning another, its for a reson, probobly that branch thinks something is wrong with the otherone.
Now… one of them is right, and if one is right one is wrong, and why do we have something pressing for rules, acts and/or laws that my be overturned by another…
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I’m not worried at all about this, I don’t think anyone should be. It’s not like Bush is going to deploy the armed forces into Vermont, and take out Howard Dean.
I don’t think this is very serious at all - It’s more on the lines of homeland security
Me = Not worried in the least
No it really isnt just about security, the overall long term plan is to have US/NATO armies keeping the peace all over the world.
I see what your saying but if we are fighting in the west for freedom of speech and deomcracy then what is the point in slowly removing your rights in order to defend them ???
Also badmagick there is more than one way to pass a ridicuous law through without people noticing.
*Originally posted by Phil Jayhan *
**Phor a case in point, is anyone aware that the US Supreme Court basically shredded the 1st ammendment 2 weeks ago by banning political speech attacks 60 days bephore an election or 30 days, can’t remember which…
I don’t see this becoming undone;
pj :sigh: **
Just found this article phil,
…what the heck are they thinking
no phil you must be mistaken as Vash and others on this post have said ‘things like this wont happen’ , some one would notice and stop it…
well new flash they didnt this time, and lets hope the same dont happen when they wanna send the army or navy seals into the next riot which they dont like huh
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Post an add in the paper, 59 days before an election (You are off, its 60 days) and wait to get sued or arrested, and keep claiming freedom of speech and appealing until the supreme court hears it and over turns the law…
… or… OR!!
Put all your faith in the goverment and GW not to abuse this law and either revoke it on its own or never take a step further…
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wether it can be overturned or whatever is irrelevent it proves that crazy laws and bills can be passed with no public knowledge.
aye ave
Sieg Heil!
I actually find political attack ads the same as me running into a movie theater and yelling “fire!” just for fun. Maybe now, what the candidate will do can be emphasized over what the opponent did not do 
It’s not perfect, but it is in a good direction. Also, statistically, the one who gets the most money does happen to win the elections. There are more to elections than just the national elections. Career politicians (who I think are beneficial anyway) exist primarily because of their ability to raise enormous amounts of money that their non-elected challengers can’t raise.
http://www.antiwar.com/bock/b102202.html
This link is good, read the guys opinions and knowledge on this matter, for those who cant be bothered this is an important point he makes…
In July homeland security honcho Tom Ridge raised quite seriously the possibility of repealing the Posse Comitatus Act as one step in fighting the war on terrorism. Other officials and dignitaries have suggested revisions in the act to permit more open cooperation between civilian and military authorities.
That would be a mistake.
To many this concern may seem abstract and theoretical. Who really worries about a military takeover in the United States?
As John Eastman, a law professor at Chapman University who clerked for Justice Thomas and is affiliated with the conservative Claremont Institute, explained to me last week, however, “One reason we’ve been able to have a standing army that has not assumed power or seriously threatened our freedom is because we have maintained the civilian/military distinction. The prospect for Caesarism becomes much more serious when we breach those lines.”
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read what they are saying, the may not repeal the act but the are considering ‘revisions’ to it…also note it has already been broken and the militaries involvment in the sniper case was unlawful but no one seemed to notice or care.
Kirupa, lets say that you think that something about one candidate or another is not being shown, News networks aren’t going to show what you think or found, so you decide to take a a small add in a newspaper, before the election, next thing you know you got Federal Agents at your door!
Now, is that currbing freedom of speech or what?..
I admit to you Kirupa, I don’t mind the Idea of it, as I don’t mind the Idea of silencing Neo-nazis and the KKK, but as much as I like the Idea of it, anything that will infringe of free speach I am totaly against, down to the letter, I cannot support anything that can have me arrested for what I show or say.
*Originally posted by RussianBeer *
**Kirupa, lets say that you think that something about one candidate or another is not being shown, News networks aren’t going to show what you think or found, so you decide to take a a small add in a newspaper, before the election, next thing you know you got Federal Agents at your door!
Now, is that currbing freedom of speech or what?..
I admit to you Kirupa, I don’t mind the Idea of it, as I don’t mind the Idea of silencing Neo-nazis and the KKK, but as much as I like the Idea of it, anything that will infringe of free speach I am totaly against, down to the letter, I cannot support anything that can have me arrested for what I show or say. **
theres the catch of freedom you see, more freedom means more trouble…have to take good with the bad it seems