i gotta admit i’m fascinated by this stuff. i don’t believe it, but i think i have a fairly open mind if you want to present your evidence.
I will continue with my thesis if anyone wants to hear it and requests it. But what you are all being told to believe is patently false. The WTC buildings were NOT felled by two aircraft. This is a lie.
i’m curious. are you denying that 2 aircraft hit the WTC? or that they did hit it, but in addition to that, something else caused the buildings to collapse. i get that you are implying there was some internal or underground explosion that actually caused the collapse. are you saying the planes were flown into the towers as a kind of diversion?
and why was the plane shot down in penn? i could actually believe that the military would shoot down a plane headed towards DC after the pentagon and WTC hits. and i could believe that it would be covered up. i don’t think that happened, but if shown evidence, i would be open to it. but you are suggesting something beyond that. if these weren’t terrorist hijackings, then why shoot down a plane?
9:59 and 10:28 are the times of the collapses. now, if a plane hitting the building on the 90-whatever floor can cause a .9 magnitute reaction on the ground, it makes sense that 10 or so stories of the WTC starting to collapse would cause at least 2.1.
also, if there was an explosion in the basement, which is the theory i’ve found on a few other sites, the towers would probably collapse the way usual demolished buildings collapse - they seem to sink into the ground. the cloud of debris is at the bottom of the building and the top floors are intact til they hit ground.
the usual theory in the WTC is that the top floors collapsed and kind of domino-effected down. this coincides with what was visible. the top of the building dissapeared into smoke and dust and the destruction travelled downwards.
i haven’t found a reliable report about the molten metal yet.
i’m more inclined to think that business runs the channels. money (advertising, etc.) talks. why listen to the government. ask yourself who the gov’t listens to.
That is true. A friend of mine showed me a whole entire list of what companies owned what tv stations. If I can get the site from him, I will post it here.
it gets pretty crazy though. there’s so many conspiracy theories there, i don’t even know which one the author believes. the wtc was either brought down by thermite or a nuke in the basement, or unmanned, remote control fighter jets painted to look like passenger planes (the originals were rerouted to a military base. not sure what they did with the passengers) or there was a giant laser beam that disintigrated the buildings. (i’m dead serious - that’s what the guy is saying.) and it was all done by either the fbi or the chinese or the russians or the jews. i couldn’t quite tell.
so uhh phil, do you have the negatives to these photos youve been examining? how do you know your not examing doctored photos… that were doctored to look fake?
come on now, that was a valid question. if you’re going to present these very radical ideas and claim to have hard proof, you can’t just brush off anyone who questions your proof with a “i don’t have time for people like you”.
you are claiming that all the media’s pictures/films were doctored, but you have one or two that show something different. it’s more logical to think that the one different one is faked, and the large archive of other pictures that agree with each other are true.
sorry Phil, I did not mean to belittle your response.
I was trying to give the lazy a way to find out what you were talking about, without a condesending tone.:-\
While I don’t necessarily agree with all of your statements, I do respect the fact that you have done the research, have come to your own conclusions, and I feel you don’t deserve the petty “shots” you have rec’d.
I personally feel that there are way too many people ready to take whatever sermon is spewed at them and regurgitate it as their own view.
Sometimes I don’t know when to keep my mouth shut:x
peace to all,
Rev:elderly:
PS…I agree with your view on anonymity…that is why my full name is listed in my profile, and the only email I use is my full name…
phil, i spent several hours on your site, exploring many of the links and several other sites that have similar data. i haven’t seen anything that leads me to the conclusions you and they draw. one common denominator is that there is a certain attitude toward the US Government, and references to numerous other conspiracy theories.
it doesn’t matter how many hours of research you do. if it is done with a preconcieved notion X, then you will dream up “evidence” to support X, and any evidence that shows something different can be declared as “faked”.
as a relatively new member to these forums, i don’t want to start or get involved in a big flame war here, so i will retire from this thread for now, though i will follow it looking for any evidence you might post. this has been intriguing.
hmm… yep phil, your right. i do have a problem with sarcasm. i’m still workin on it.
anyway. altho i don’t really believe most of the conspiracy theories out there, i do find them interesting and thought provoacing(**** i cant spell)… so i will probably check out your site to see whats there.
cheers.
ah Phil… you’re just like me 5 years ago… but like me, you’re coming along nicely.
one thing I learned, which I’d like to pass along is this:
I agree that one should never trust authority right off the bat. Anyone who seeks a possition of authority is instantly subject in my mind. Likewise though, are people with theories. Theories are like opinions (oh wait… they are opinions), they are like @$$holes, everyone has one. With the internet in it’s prime, the influx of freaks with an opinion (not directed at you Phil, but some of your contemporaries) are in thier prime as well.
For me there is little doubt that there is more to 911 than the government wants us to know… but I haven’t seen anything yet which leads me to believe anything other than, poorly armed people took those planes into the buildings.
We’ll have to wait and see I suppose. Sadly, when it comes to things like this, usually we have to wait a long time for evidence to surface. I doubt these theories will be resolved EVER, let alone anytime soon.
PS thanks for the kind words Phil. I know that you’re trying very hard to increase both your knowledge base, and debate skills. That above anything is the most important thing in my mind. Right or wrong? we’re all right or wrong sometimes… but skill and intelligence…that’s a rarily. Keep plugging away at this. I’ll keep arguing the opponant’s views and maybe together we’ll get whatever @#%'s need to be gotten.
hey man… there are lots of assholes out there who wont appologize even when they are wrong… Don’t be so hard on yourself for having a bad day. Jeez, how many times have I had bad days on Kirupaforum talking about Flash??? It happens to us all, and us overly stressed paranoid types more often than the rest.
Intention is what’s important Phil. I agree and disagree with people all the time… but if your intentions are in the right place I don’t care if you’re a Canibal. I know where your intentions are and I like that there are people with passion in this world. The words are simply praise for the unpraisable.
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