http://educate-yourself.org/fe/fewaterasfuel28jan02.shtml
So, I’d be interested in somebody with some real smarts (glosrfc?) to come here and tell me in a way that makes sense, why that is or is not the real deal (waterfuel in general)… 
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It’s a real deal because hydrogen burns so well (Remember the Hindenburg? :lol: ). I know a guy here in Hampton who is working on getting a little three cylinder engine to run off of a fuel cell, he’s already got a dirt bike that runs great off of one. You’re basically using the same apparatus as an engine that runs off of propane or natural gas. Ceramic pistons and stainless valves help the engine resist rust, as the main by-product of burning hydrogen is water.
Yeah but where does the hydrogen come from? Surely if you are just pouring in water the energy consumed to split the water into hydrogen/oxygen is more than the energy you get out for burning it? Obviously i am not particularly knowledgeable in this area, but unless either the burning or the separating has an efficiency of over 100% then you’d be wasting energy rather than producing it?
The electricity that your car generates - the kind output by your coils, for instance, that’s running through your alternator and distributor, runs through the fuel cell. Water + electricity = electrolyzed water, which is Hydrogen and Oxygen gas. The fuel system then mixes gasoline and hydrogen, all of which burns, as opposed to the usually sloppy burning of only gasoline, which is not as efficient. There is no such thing as perpetual motion, and energy is still being lost. Fuel is still being burned. It’s a lot more efficient than a regular internal combustion engine, though.
Ah ok, so it is using both electricity and gasoline as well as the water? Not quite as awesome, but much more believable! I’d be interested to see some real stats on the energy in/out as compared to other methods.
Rainwater? Surely the water needs to be of a pretty high purity to not end up clogging up the system. i.e. distilled water?
But yes, not having to pay for fuel would be awesome.
Diesel engines can be easily refitted to run off of vegetable oil, hemp oil or even whiskey. The guy who invented the hemp car is from right here in my hometown of Hampton, Virginia. I was in boy scouts with him years ago. :lol:
I really don’t it’s that expensive to convert your car to water; it’s a wonder more people have not done it.
Juggler’s right…ignore any spurious claims that this is an alternative to petrol; it isn’t, nor will it ever be. In an ideal scenario it takes the same amount of energy to convert water into hydrogen and oxygen as you get out of it. Given the inefficiency of combustion engines (most hover around the 50% mark) and the various components of your engine (alternator, etc) that this relies upon, you would have to input far more energy into the system than it would ever produce, by a ratio of at least 10:3.
Dan is almost right too…hydrogen could be used as an additive to make combustion more efficient. However, the pitiful amount of hydrogen that this would produce is unlikely to make any significant difference. Besides which, 99% of the petrol you use already combusts so you can also ignore any claims of a 50%, 100%, 200% decrease in fuel consumption. The simple truth is that petrol only has another 1% it can give you.
Theoretically, adding hydrogen can make the petrol mix leaner and this is where most of the dodgy economy claims come from. However, you can make any petrol engine run more efficiently by making the fuel leaner, even without the addition of hydrogen, but this leads to a drop in overall power. There are other snags too. Excessive leanness can cause preignition problems as well as burnt spark plugs and pistons. In some cases it can cause more dramatic situations such as the detonation and explosion of the entire engine block - remember that combustion is only a series of small explosions that, fortunately for the driver and passengers, are rigorously controlled by the engine!
Any alterations to the mixture are negated anyway. The second you start accelerating to move away, the carburettor (or engine management system) will increase the richness of the petrol in order to provide enough power to overcome inertia. Even if you’re no longer accelerating, and just maintaining a steady speed, you still need a richer fuel mix to overcome drag from road gradients and wind resistance. Any claims that using hydrogen to alter the fuel mix can make the engine more efficient can therefore be discounted too…ignoring the potential engine damage, this will only affect the engine when it’s idle and the vehicle is stationary…and whats the point of a highly efficient car that can’t actually travel anywhere?
Any “efficiency savings” are down to a combination of things; cleaning the engine and replacing some parts with ceramic or stainless steel will make a difference on its own. Tinkering with the fuel mixture will also lower fuel consumption…so long as the vehicle remains in idle. Better driving habits and smoother acceleration (most probably as a result of the reduction in power) will also have an effect. But all of these “savings” are simply a by-product of converting the engine to run on water and they can all be achieved by normal means. The truth is that you will still be using more fuel to generate the hydrogen in the first place.
Notice the absence of any flaming? If there’s one thing that water is good for, it’s for dousing flames 
Woohoo. I win! Excellent explanation Glos, you smart smart person!
Very nice, Glos. 
For anyone else who’s interested, there are are a couple of yahoo groups, Water Car and Hydroxy, that are worth looking into.
Just because it’s on the internet, it’s true, right? o_O
I told you! It’s uncanny. 
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