Since the bigging of the Iraq war, to the reconstruction I hear alot of criticism directe towards the french, why poor wine down the drain? Reconstruction contracts?
What are your thoughts?
I live in a country where the second language is french and you have to take to class to learn french… I dislike the language itself its like 5 time more complicated than the english language but every frech speaking person i know has a high iq, very nice and polite.
I dont agree with vulcans staement on how the US saved their asses for the longest time the french were to dominating force in europe, I grant you they did save them in WW2 and maybe in WW1… politicaly the french are very opiniated, its wrong to prtray the freanch as bad people… and freedom fries? what the hell?
Well the earlier post regarding the french being good for us is not entirely accurate. France has had small man’s syndrome since the end of the first World War. They way the dropped out of NATO in the 60’s to sulk and then rejoined. They sold Iraq an nuclear reactor in the 80’s. They violated UN trade sanctions in the 90’s. The French accuse the US of being a lose cannon when they’ve been doing the same thing for the better part of the last century. Also bare in mind the whole reason the US even got involved in Vietnam was NATO and the french insisting we help them out with their little rebelion, which ended up being a disaster for us. And the idea they helped us in our Revolution is a little off base too. Granted they did help, but only after it was pretty clear that we would force the british into a stalemate.
It’s not like the French didn’t want us in Iraq because of some big moral problem they had with it. They knew that if we placed an new regime in Bagdad they wouldnt’ get the $3 billion Saddam’s regime owes them. Same goes with the Russions for that matter, only it was more money.
Well thinker I bet there’s a lot of people outside of the US that thinks they went to war for monetary gain. O yea, where are those WMD’s anyway.
Canada, that doesn’t really have anything to do with my post, even if that was the sole reason (and i think thats simplifying a complex situation) every country in the world took a stand on this issue based on how much money they made. So people need to stop acting like the US is the only money hungry country out there. This thread is about the french, and I made a post about the french. You’re comment is more of a Iraq Yes/No type thread.
Thinker you’re the one who brought up Iraq by commenting on why you thought France didn’t want to go to war so I only think that it’s natural to look on the other side of the coin.
If you can’t take the heat…
It’s not taking the heat. It’s about being relevant to the conversation. how is the validity of the US going to Irraq relevant to the political situation in France? This is the second time in the thread you are referencing the validity of the US being in Iraq. Howabout you stay on topic and talk about France.
From where I am, I’ve seen Americans trashing France the most because they didn’t support going to war with Iraq. The thread is about the French taking a lot of criticism because of their position on the war in Iraq. What’s wrong with questioning the critics of France? The French didn’t believe that there were WMD’s in Iraq and they were right.
It is about taking the heat Redrvltn! The whole premise of going to war in Iraq was the WMD’s and that isn’t over simplification. I think the way that France has been treated by the US is deplorable. After all they were right and still they are being criticised.
Redrvltn why don’t you open your eyes and see that the US mislead the world to gain support for war and France didn’t buy into their scam.
I am exactly on topic and just because you don’t like what I’m saying doesn’t mean that I’m not.
This previous post is exactly what’s wrong with ordered nowadays. Instead of making a point other than bringing up weapons of mass destruction again, you insinuate I don’t know anything about the war. Did I ever say the US was right in going in? Did ever suggest the US government didn’t mislead the people? Howabout, in your words, you “open your eyes”, and read the post.
I get it, so you are using a thread about the French to attack the American government. Totally on the topic. Seeing as you have posted about the US going in and not finding weapons of mass destruction two times now, howabout we move on to France.
Ok, thinking France wanted the US not to go into Iraq because they didn’t believe there were WMD’s is simply being ignorant to known fact.
[1] France/Iraq trade injected $3 billion dollars anually into the French economy, and as it stood at the start of the war there were $3 billion in French loans to Iraq still outstanding. MONEY is the reason France did not want the US to go in.
[2] Just because WMD’s have not been found yet does not mean they do not exist. Sadam used chemical weapons against Iran in their war in the early 80’s (and yes I know the US and other NATO nations supplied some of those weapons). In 1988 Saddam’s soldiers shelled the Kurdish town Halabja (BBC Report) with chemical weapons killing 5,000 civilians. So we know Iraq had the weapons in the past and they have not all been accounted for. But if you want to debate these points, start a new thread, this one is about France.
If you read what I wrote 2 posts ago you’ll see the evidence of why a number of Americans are so upset with France. It’s not just the Iraq war, this is simply the straw that broke the cammel’s back.
I think the french didnt wanna go into the Iraqi war well cause of what upuaut just posted and cause the french are sick of the american gun-ho attitude, and quite frankly so am I
