@#%$ I hate the prices of all this loverly software

blah blah blah… if you use borrowed software and you like it… buy it. im poor, i know how it is. i used borrowed software, and still do, to make things to LEARN off of. i have recently been given the chance to work on a video game and 3dsmax and photoshop will be BOUGHT for me by my boss. that game will in turn be ‘borrowed’ almost as soon as it’s out on the market and i will be upset. but its life. would you like it if you were in my situation? losing thousands of dollars because there are monkeys out there stealing your hard work for the past year? no, but what goes around comes around… so i deserve what i will get. I am willing to face that though. don’t think that the people who crack softwares are in no contact with the companies they crack softwares from… discreet, alias, newtek… they all release softwares to spark our creativity and get us hooked on products we would never be able to afford so we get jobs and CAN afford to spend 16 grand on a program… essentially a bunch of ones and zero’s flying through silicone… im sorry but i have seen a legal license of Alias|Wavefront’s Maya 3.0 Unlimited and its pages and pages and pages long… NOONE could generate that using some simple program. they are released by the companies. but that still doesn’t make it right. so my bottom line is to buy whatever you like. if a program has a demo, then for christs sake get the demo… if not… its their fault [cough swift3d cough]. BTW if companies dont release them… and they honestly are legit themselves and they get stolen from… don’t you think they will spend more money on trying to thwart crackers… and since we all know its impossible to stop crackers they will be wasting money and jacking up the prices of programs… so in the long run its better to just buy. i mean… get a @#%$ job… save some money instead of orderring that pizza. it saves up. flash and other smaller programs are not that expensive. if i thought for a second that i wanted to BE a flasher i’d buy it in a heartbeat. i simply hate flash though and only use it to mess around. \r\roh well there is my 35-1/2 cents

and after wasting that 35-1/2 cents, MeHoo is now as broke as I am.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply Godfather…you’ll have to be a little more clear if you want me to play along in polical science discussions.

For the record, I’m very socialist/communist in my ideals, I also love my tech… the level we are at now, would not be unless we had a capitalist, “make a profit at all costs”, society… that’s not difficult to prove at all.

yes, exactly…

First off this is in actuallity a controversial issue not a bunch of malarkey. I can understand that you would be mad that some one would steal your stuff and use it for free. But wait a second NOTHING is free as you can see by your other statement your boss is buying you adobe and 3dstudiomax even though it may be pirated software someone had to have the original copy lol. Passion rather than greed should make us human.

the boss is buying me FULL VERSIONS that are bought from the companies… my work that has taken me so far a good three months and then some… and will take more will cost me a lot of money… to see someone steal that from me will suck. especially since half my friends are really into borrowing things. i’ll just make sure they get free copies anyways. =]

just wanted to clarify that.

Oh there was one more thing that I wanted to mention… I think it’s vital to this conversation.

I own no xbox, no playstation I or II. I don’t own any nitendo products, no game system at all. I have no doubt at all that many of the so called “kids” who come in here and say, “Oh, I don’t have the cash for this, I’m just a kid” have dozens of these games. Not all of them, but some of them certainly do.
A version of 3.0 on Ebay sells for nothing. MX upgrade runs 199. Total cost is probebly about 4 xBox or 4 PSII games. I do without all those so that I can own Flash… if you want the program, you will find a way to get it.

I’m sorry but my first thought when I hear someone complaining about the cost of a productivity software peice is that they are a whinny little punk. Granted I wont let that hold me back from giving the best advice I can, but it’s the truth. Productivity pieces are expensive because if you own one, and have skill in it, you can make back that cost in no time simply by working. And if you’re not working, for whatever the reason, then you simply have to find your own ways of aquiring these things. The programs weren’t made for you.

Well said upu! Besides, this is the same as people who complain about not being able to afford domain names and hosting services. Last time I checked, you don’t need these expensive programs to sustain your life. It really hard to convince me that you’re poor and suffering and thus can’t afford to have all these sparkly glamorous programs - I have been homeless before and living out of my car. I started designing by using either a friend’s computer or the school lab. Now I’m doing this for a living and I can afford to have them either because the company buys them or I buy them myself. You are not so bad off and there are ways around the situation.

“I have no doubt at all that many of the so called “kids” who come in here and say, “Oh, I don’t have the cash for this, I’m just a kid” have dozens of these games.”

totally agree… when i stopped buying video games i saved like 500 a year at least… 4 years = 3dsmax. lol in reality though i got kicked out… lived on the streets in a bad 'hood and didnt have a school to use the comps at. lol but thats me. i got back good with my parents… got a decent job with my girlfriend and have afforded an apartment for the last year on our own… i now plan on making that game, and raking in a LOT of cash from it seeing as how there are only like 12 of us total working on it. i am also learning flash with the help of vts31/edwin and kirupa who generously donate some of their time every day to answer my stupid questions on aim. i am using this flash to create a webpage [and buying a domain and host] for my portfolio. i have over the past four years self taught myself 3dsmax, all of the plugins, maya 2.5 unlimited, 3.0 unlimited, and now 4.0 unlimited [which can be acquired for FREE here: www.aliaswavefront.com/freemaya ], photoshop, rhino3d, and just about ANY graphics program imagineable to create a nice portfolio. this will hopefully get me a job. so if i can do it… form being poor as dirt and living on the street to having my own computer, apartment, and getting good jobs… ANYONE can. like i always say… if you like the software… buy it. if you can’t at the moment i dont agree that you shouldn’t use it anyways to learn… but to make money off of it you had better buy it. you can learn for free… simply partition 2 gigs of your hard drive and install every 30 day software imagineable and format every 29 days… it sucks but it works.