Let's see what the troops have to say

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“We had a great day. We killed a lot of people. We dropped a few civilians, but what do you do? I’m sorry…but the chick was in the way.”
– U.S. Marine Sgt. Eric Schrumpf, New York Times, March 29, 2003

“I did what I had to do. I don’t have a big problem with it. I think they thought we wouldn’t shoot kids. But we showed them we don’t care.”

  • 21 year old U.S. Army Private Nick Boggs, after unloading machinegun fire into and killing a 10 year old Iraqi boy, who was removing items off of a dead paramilitary.

:stunned:

I don’t know how you can still support your soldiers after what all has happened. And say it was in the name of “liberation”.

I really despise those people that say, “well since we can’t stop the war anyways, and we knew it was wrong, we should now just support our troops!” That’s utter BS. That’s like saying “well we know that Hitler is wrong and that his war is unjustified and that he must be stopped, but oh well, since we went to war, let’s support Hitler and his troops!”. It’s the same thing. It may not be Germans, it’s Americans. No difference in nationality or country or reason.

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Explain to me what you would do? You’re getting shot at and the people shooting at you have human shields in front of them. Do you just die, or do you fire back, hoping to miss the human shields? It’s easy to sit at home whining about what others do, but if you haven’t been put in the situation, you really shouldn’t talk.

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Yeah, 2 troops say something like that, and now I am supposed to think the entire military is filled with people who simply hate civilians. So, taking issue with a point you made in another thread, because a few people from the Middle East rammed planes into the US buildings; taking your logic, I should presume that all Middle Easterners are intent on killing Americans.

You seem to get quite a rush finding one aspect of a story and running with it :wink:

Cheers!
Kirupa (-:

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Kirupster just owned the hell out of your hypothesis :stuck_out_tongue:

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*Originally posted by CopperGoat *
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I really despise those people that say, “well since we can’t stop the war anyways, and we knew it was wrong, we should now just support our troops!” That’s utter BS. That’s like saying “well we know that Hitler is wrong and that his war is unjustified and that he must be stopped, but oh well, since we went to war, let’s support Hitler and his troops!”. It’s the same thing. It may not be Germans, it’s Americans. No difference in nationality or country or reason. **

This is the reason why I don’t come to ordered… Because it’s all rhetoric arguments unsupported by facts. Like kirupa said, yeah, there’s dumb idiots in the army (like all those idiots that keep putting up american flags). But our purpose is not to take over iraq, or to kill iraqis, or even get rid of weapons of mass distruction. This is a war about removing a bad leader… yeah, about 1700 civilians have died… we might get oil, yeah, we might get lucrative contracts, but you mean to tell me that this is WORSE than allowing Saddam to govern? The number of people he has killed ranges in the hundreds of thousands… I can’t have any respect for anyone who thinks this is ok.

People get killed every day. And yeah, a lot of civilians have died. Recently, in the Congo, around 900 civilians died in one week… i haven’t seen you denouce that.

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*Originally posted by kirupa *
** taking your logic, I should presume that all Middle Easterners are intent on killing Americans.
**

Wait… their not!?! when did this happen?!

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As bad as it sounds, killing kids is a must, especially if they are willing to kill you. Killing innocents is also a must, especially if they, ‘are in the way’.

Although it sucks, its the way it has to be. Soldiers have known that it would come to this, and have been trained to shoot anyone who poses a threat, and that includes a 10 year old looting a paramilitaries corpse…

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OMG JUBBA! I laughed for like 2 minutes. That was great.

This is a reason I hate the U.N. (for peacekeeping operations). It’s ideals like yours, Goat, that somehow make these rules take affect. “Oh no, don’t shoot civilians!”
You’re not allowed to shoot unless you’re shot at, you can’t shoot at civilians, and a number of other rules.

THIS MEANS - LITERALLY -

That you could be patrolling the streets with your two or three man group, and see a rebel//bad dude walking around with a gun.
This guy could literally co-ck his gun and put it to your forehead, and you’re not allowed to do anything about it, besides move your head.
You’re allowed to ask for the gun, through your trusty translator. You’re allowed to get shot in the face.
But you cannot even point your weapon at him. If you shoot him, your *** will be in a military prison for a number of years.

Hell, some guy could walk right in front of you, shoot a few muslim people, rape a pregnant woman, and then stab her in the womb RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, (yes, this does happen) and you can’t do a single thing about it, except put it in your report.

So you can probably understand why I hate the U.N. and it’s rules.

WOW! I went so off topic.

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"Answer me this please…Will Iraq be better off in say, 6 months & one year phrom now, than it was a year ago? I am curious as to your answer…

Also, will Iraq be better off in 5 years phrom now, then where it was 5 years back…?

I just want to hear you answer these questions; Am curius, enquiring minds wanna know…"

I don’t know if it will be good or bad. But if you are going to expect that the country will be so good and rich and everything positive just because one old man is gone your wrong. US has many historical records of installing dictators in for old ones. Therefore it would be the same.

“This is the reason why I don’t come to ordered… Because it’s all rhetoric arguments unsupported by facts. Like kirupa said, yeah, there’s dumb idiots in the army (like all those idiots that keep putting up american flags). But our purpose is not to take over iraq, or to kill iraqis, or even get rid of weapons of mass distruction. This is a war about removing a bad leader… yeah, about 1700 civilians have died… we might get oil, yeah, we might get lucrative contracts, but you mean to tell me that this is WORSE than allowing Saddam to govern? The number of people he has killed ranges in the hundreds of thousands… I can’t have any respect for anyone who thinks this is ok.”

No, what I am worried about is that they will put in some moron that will just be a puppet to US, and the US will then get cheap oil and Iraq will still be a bad place to live.

"Yeah, 2 troops say something like that, and now I am supposed to think the entire military is filled with people who simply hate civilians. ’

I think that if 2 troops say those disgusting remarks, then the army is corrupt and has failed to even look good. In my opinion, 2 troops saying those is enough, because then there could be a lot more like them, but they won’t talk about it.

"because a few people from the Middle East rammed planes into the US buildings; taking your logic, I should presume that all Middle Easterners are intent on killing Americans.’

HAHA! I laugh at this witty remark. In US lots of people are prejudice and racist against middle easterners because they think that they will all kill americans. That’s why they racially profile at the border and that’s why they lock up thousands of muslims and middle easterns in California. And also, 2 troops saying something and judging them is different than judging an ethnic background. Troops are not ethnic backgrounds, therfore there is no relevant link.

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Does that mean Kirupa wants to kill me… ? :frowning:

CG: I agree those soldiers should never had said anything like that. That is terrible. But unfortunately there are people like that in this country. There are people here that don’t care about anything. They are probably from Texas, and in some way related to Bush ( :slight_smile: )

But your statement implies that all Americans are prejudice. Not all of us are. Just want you to understand that.

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They aren’t installing another dictator.

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Well, we hope. We are going to try to install something that resembles a Democratic society. Something where the people of Iraq have a voice and will be able to participate. However, once we set everything up and install the rules, its up to the Iraqi government to follow and enforce them. If the person we put in place to lead Iraq turns out to be an a$s just like Saddam then in 11 years we are probably going to be in Iraq again to oust him.

Hopefull the person we put in to lead will be good though, and won’t be a puppet of the US government coughBlaircough

… :slight_smile:

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FIRST:
I want to see your source copper, where did you get that EXACT quote, I want to see it for myself.

Second , I am against war, but when you go to war, when you declare war. You can sugar-coated all you want, but you still declare war on every soldier, every leader, every woman and child in that country. There is no such thing as to declare war just on thier weapons. No you attack everyone… sure you can try to not kill civilians, but if you do, no one is going to blame you! War is not a clean place, and judging from what that soldeir said, he should kill alot of enemies, and then die a heroic death, with a stray bullet to the head!

It’s friggin war people!

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Jubba, I know there are people like that in the world. And in some ways you are right. I just don’t like militarism and the soldier blessing and all that. I am not saying that all Americans are prejudice, I am saying that some are, especially your president :slight_smile:

The US in my opinion, should not put in anyone. What should happen in Iraq is a democratic free and fair election to see who will be the leader of post-war Iraq. And the election better not get rigged like a lot of elections I know being rigged by America.

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Sources Copper… plz

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RussianBeer, the quotes are from the newspapers. I found the quotes from another website and I don’t remember what it was.

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Sorry dude, if u can provide the sources, I really can’t say I beleive what you put down.

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http://istanbul.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/1348.php

Gotta love when people that talk about how bad propaganda is, make some of their own.

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copper…take it somewhere else…this is inline with your oil thread earlier…someone warn this guy…this is intended to start a flame war and that is all…

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prs, he has been warned numerous times - his time is running short…