Limiting Amount of Money in Lawsuits

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my other suggestion is to offer more funding for students to attend medical school (ie scholarships and federal loans [which carry a lower interest rate than bank loans]).

[color=Gray]I don’t know about the US but that would make no difference here in Australia. Everyone can get a HECS debt. 1% government interest loan to pay for all UNI fees.
You only ever have to start making repayments on it if you earn over $30,000.
Of course if you are wealthy you stay wealthy, paying as you go gives you 25% discount on your fees.[/color][color=Gray]
So the rich that can afford it, it cost them 25% less to get a degree.

The problem is not that there aren’t enough students who want to do it, or don’t have financial access to it. They just limit the numbers, so even if you get 100%. You may not get accepted because of the limited intake.[/color][color=Gray]
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it isn’t because the campus is beautiful or the people are nice. they go because the education will make them more polished and ready for the professional world than at other institutions.

[color=Gray]I thought it was just for the name…. I don’t know about the US but UNI’s are basically all the same here. We have some that people consider to have more stature, because they have been around longer and still have sandstone buildings. But if you do a degree in computer science, it doesn’t matter which UNI you go to you are going to learn the same thing at the same level.[/color]

it’s one thing to assume a level of education based on what institution someone attends, it’s a completely different thing to assume something about someone’s personality or background.

[color=Gray]You have to be kidding right…. While some students may not come from a wealthy background, and some may be there on scholarships. I will bet you my left nut if I go stand outside Harvard and look at the cars people turn up in. Then go to some other University and compare them. While I have not done this, I guaranty that there will be more BMW/MERCS/PORSHES at Harvard.[/color][color=Gray]

So I see nothing wrong with my claim that Harvard has more students from a wealthy background than others.
And I think it is generally accepted that quite a few children who come from a wealthy background are stuck up arrogant and spoilt.

So since there are more wealthy students there, it is only logical to assume that there are more stuck up arrogant students there than else where.[/color] [color=Gray]** [color=Lime]**********************[/color]
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[color=Gray]I think MIT doesn’t have a reputation because of the education you receive; it has one because of the student’s that go there.
Even if you are a God at programming, and know as much as your professors, you still have to do the same old boring programming 101.
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[color=Gray]But come time for Honors/PHD, because you are so advanced, your honors/PHD projects are far more advanced than others.
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[color=Gray]And because the work that comes out of there is so high, it attracts more of the high achievers.
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[color=Gray]If I took someone who scraped through programming at community college and sent them to MIT, they are still going to come out an average programmer; they are not going to come out Bill Gates.

The high achievers that come out of MIT, were high achievers before they ever got there.

Take the K-man… He has this site, written books…. This before he ever went to MIT.
MIT didn’t make him, he makes MIT what it is along with the other high achievers that go there.[/color]

Well I am really board with this topic now… :frowning:

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[ot]While there is a greater concentration of wealthy students who attend the top-universities, the universities make sure that students don’t pay more than their families can really afford. The fees such as $40k, $50k a year are just the “sticker” price.

For example, here is the average amount a student would pay at a list of private colleges: http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/privatecolleges/privatecollege.php?sortby=RANK&orderby=flip&states%5B%5D=ALL&myschool%5B%5D=none&outputby=table Notice that the “Cost after Need Based Aid” amount for the average student makes the top private universities reasonably affordable compared to less known universities.

Also, places like Harvard may attract a small group of snobby people, but they are snobby people who are usually in the Top 5% of their high school classes and score in the Top 1-3% on their standardized tests. Shows like Frasier really give a bad impression of ivy league schools :stuck_out_tongue:

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The fees such as $40k, $50k a year are just the “sticker” price.

Come again… A 3 year science degree here is less than $30,000 total…

Medicine is about $100,000 ? but thats over 5 years.

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What I mean is, that’s how much the cost is without any of the aid that colleges give most students. For example, while the total cost is estimated to be about $40k a year for an ivy league, a student may only pay half of it if the university determines that the student’s family can only afford to pay $20k per year. Some students may even end up studying for free (w/e of boarding, food, etc.)

I’m referring only to private universities. Most state universities expect students to pay, on average, less than a private university.

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^^ yeah, it really happens both ways. mine was backwards… my school (private) easily has the highest tuition but is by far the most affordable school i was accepted to (among 3 state schools and one other private). that’s including an in-state bonus deduction for 2 of those state schools.

when i’m talking about differences between level of education received at schools, i’m not referring to your basic introduction classes. intro classes are going to be about the same everywhere. where it really takes effect is in upper level courses. i know with certainty that my major classes are significantly more difficult and teach more than at other universities in the region.

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Now I am starting to understand what they are talking about when you see people in the US going on about the cost of education.

I guess Uni in Australia isn’t bad, though we dont have private uni’s.

Although Private schools (high schools) only teach 1/3 of all students.
They get 2/3 of all government funding.
Thats ontop of the $2000-$8000 a year you have to pay to go to private schools.

Now thats crazy.

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Not only do these law suits raise the cost of health insurance and heathcare in general, they have caused doctors to not allow patients to make decisions. I cannot think of another profession where this happens. I mean when you take your car to the mechanic most people don’t just automaticlly trust that what they say is scripture like they do thier doctor. Now, even when you disagree with your doctor they have you by the short hairs because the insurance companies trust them over you… This happend when my yougest son was born. We disagreed with the doctors advice, but had to do it anyway because the SOB said that we could do it or be realsed against doctors advice which would mean our insurance company would not pay for anything.

The entire system is screwed up. The insurance companies dictating what is best for patients, doctors worrying about getting sued for doing the right thing in difficult situations or for listening to patients requests. And all the time patients being held victim by both… I think tort reform is a good first step, but there is much more that needs done. I think the next big step is to make insurance companies unnecessary…

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well, the insurance companies have no reason to trust you over the doctor. the doctor is vastly more knowledgeable and experienced.

i’m agree w/you that the law suits raise the cost of health care. but i don’t think the law suits prevent patients from making decisions. rather, i think it’s the inherent nature of insurance that prevents patients from making decisions. the whole idea behind insurance is that you pay the insurance company to take on some of your risk. in taking on that risk, they also want to set their own terms, which you agree to. i’m not exactly sure how most insurance companies operate, but ideally you would be able to pay more to maintain your decision making ability. but ultimately, it’s their decision whether or not to offer that service.