*Originally posted by playamarz *
**Blah… I need to move to DC or Baltimore ot Pittsburgh.> there we go… No-one on hree is close to Pittsburgh lmao
playamarz
Ouch… that would suck… But were you ever turned down from a job because the other person was charging $1 per site? The worst part about that is… This person was my best friend and he did it to screw me over… Was my best friend. **
there’s jobs in D.C???
I must look…
Well right now I’m in Chambersburg… Which like I’ve stated is about 2 hours away from all of those cities… lmao…
I’m in a hick city… :beam:
playamarz
hick state more like. 
From my experience of working tightly with programmers and designers follows the comment - a programmer cannot design as good as a designer and a designer cannot program as good as a programmer can !! One can’t be perfect 100% in all of the listed by 2advanced. It takes two to tango - a designer and a programmer. That is what makes an excellent team that delivers work results of high quality in a timely manner.
And if you guys, want to work for 2a then don’t be afraid to try and get yourself at the door. Just be the fastest and greatest at what you do. And you’ll see your chances to be hired will be high.
I think one can be awesome at programming and design at the same time. It’s just hard to do. I’ve seen TONS of personal sites that feature good design and very well done backends. But yeah, if you’re starting out, pair yourself up with someone who’s better at other things than you are. With my business I’m not doing that, and it’s a huge mistake, but I just can’t find anyone who’s willing to make a commitment, and who I trust.
lavaboy,
do you consider yourself more of a programmer or designer?
I’m definitely a programmer. I spend most of my time in front of asp or actionscript code than on the flash stage or photoshop. I totally suck at design, cause I never plan out designs.
Hey, Hollywood… lotsa hijacked planes around there huh?
and I am more of a designer. I could be a decent programmer if I wanted to, but I tend to lean towards design more. It’s fun, you do something different all the time, well unless client is a paint in the *** and you get stuck working on the same thing until they’re happy.
What’s with your business? Did you start something then failed?
P.S. Haven’t heard of the hijacked planes, at least not today.
I actually agree with both.
You can be a great designer and a great programmer. However depending on the place you work depends whether you are able to do both. If you have little work coming in then I dont see why you couldn’t or wouldnt’ be offered the opportunity to do both.
However I am a project manager and I manage the creation of major corporate sites. I am a designer, a programmer and a project manager, so I can do all three. But my job in this place is PM.
When I schedule the resources we have available into my plan often there is no leeway for the designer/programmer to do both. I may have 3 or 4 major projects going at once all competing for the individual skills at same or different times of their respective project life cycles.
That means that my resources are not often able to do both roles for the simple fact that they are too busy. Hence often I will ensure I have a specialist of each rather than a single person doing both.
Designing if done right (and in my experience) is a lot more than the look and feel. Sometimes to get it right you may need a BA to do some work. So there is another specialist role that I have to ensure I have the resource time for.
If you work in a small web design studio (and I have in the past) it is often the case you need to be jack of all trades. As you go to the corporates they can afford more staff and hence specialists. But there is obviously good reasons why they need them.
Depending on the job requirements, the number of jobs you have, and the time each resource has to spare, depends on whether or not you get to have your cake and eat it.
*Originally posted by lilynet *
**and I am more of a designer. I could be a decent programmer if I wanted to, but I tend to lean towards design more. It’s fun, you do something different all the time, well unless client is a paint in the *** and you get stuck working on the same thing until they’re happy.
What’s with your business? Did you start something then failed?
P.S. Haven’t heard of the hijacked planes, at least not today. **
I’m barely starting. I already have 3 clients lined up, but I’m working on processes, basically - how to work with the client, taxes, invoices, keeping track of time, business licence, etc. It’s a lot harder than I thought. It’s ok to be a web designer and do little jobs here and there, but if you’re going to go after big clients, especially in the D.C. area, I need legitimacy. At my jop, I almost always work on backend stuff, and so I don’t have that much time to do visual stuff. I’m looking for another job that will let me focus on that.
Anyways, yeah, some cuban guy hijacked a plane from Cuba and flew it into Miami. It’s the SECOND time that happens in two weeks too… I’m so freaking angry about that. There’s the freaking patriot act, money’s being taken out of the education budget to fund homeland security, and things like this still happen. Imagine some Al Qaeda guy ends up in Cuba…
@AnOraK
I think you are right, and that is why I searched for a pretty good programer and I found one. He is also a little bit into design.
So right now I’m pretty happy.
What I really hate, when coder have no clue of nice sites… ;p
If you can appreciate the intricacies of both, then that’s very handy. I’ve seen some agency designers come up with stuf that looks beautiful, but since they don’t program, they have no idea of just how awkward their fantastic design would be to implement…
Oh yeah… I know how that one can be Kit…
I wanna design a game that does this and this and this and performs like this and this and does all this…
Gimme $200,000 and I’ll give you a game that can do half of what you want at the speed you want 
lol… It’s a hard world to live in both areas… Being a designer you need to know color theory, design logic, programs for exactly that (photoshop, illustrator, flash… etc etc) and being a programmer you need to know everything about the languages you are studying… PHP, ASP, Flash Actionscript, C++… One uses your right side of the brain and the other uses your left side…
playamarz :player:
Exactly… So it’s hardly my fault if I get a cross circuit once in a while.
The biggest problem comes when you have to deal with people who are neither designers nor developers, but dreaded project managers. They don’t know about either…
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