Do you see a connection, or what do you think of it?
Does one encourage the other, or vica versa?
ps.
I will post my opinion later so I dont get bios views.
Islam and Terrorism
Two different things, terrorism has no religion.
no, but you can’t deny the fact that in the world there is an increase of Islamic Terrorist groups. Pre 1990’s only about 25 precent of Terrorist Islamic groups, now its about 80%
(source: PBS; Islamic Resurgance)
yes u r right about that, 100s of new islamic groups has emerged , pakistan occupied kashmir is one place you can blast out and finish 50% of them.All i meant was that Islam like any other religion teaches love, extremists spoil everything, man with half or blocked knowledge and unfortunatly they mostly are muslims.
no, but you can’t deny the fact that in the world there is an increase of Islamic Terrorist groups. Pre 1990’s only about 25 precent of Terrorist Islamic groups, now its about 80%
Well many of these ‘extremist groups’ were in some way created by the west , either through our lack of intervention in military coups or through direct funding and training so a suspicious man would say that the west has deliberatly manafactured these terrorist groups to Slur the name of islam.
I mean really when the USA/UK invades Iraq (for whatever reasons be they good or bad is irrelavent) and kills civilians (women children etc) then occupie that country and forces there own system of government on people the guys in power KNOW that this will just create more hatred to the west and more terrorists who will be willing to give their lives up.
I mean ask yourself this, suicide bombing requires you to be pretty desperate , it is not something youd do lightly, so if they HATE us that much why are we still there occupying the place ?
And why post thousands of home guard (USA) out there…
The way the west Legalises its wars is wrong and very misleading…full stop
the people who carried out 9/11 were wrong ok thats not disputed , but are we any better ?? no we are worse…
The people of the various muslim countries had no choice wether osama did this (on a side note i dont even believe he did it)
yet they bore the brunt of casualties and tragedy during the bloody vengeance war on iraq, 2 to 3 times more civilians died and were maimed/orphaned/widowed during the iraq invasion than 9/11.
And we let our governments do that , some even cheered them on …so i ask you who is are the real religious fanatics and nuts who justify every thing they do by saying they are “on gods side”
After all tony blair and bush are fervent (some would say fanatical) christians
True, I never said that we do not help create even more Terrorist groups. But nevertheless, the Taliban , they gained power in the early to mid 90’s as well as the Al Queda, Armed Islamic Group, Aden-Abyan Islamic Army and other all gained power during the same time, a time when the USA wasn’t viewd as it is today. Many have built their base of opperation of fundamental ideas of Islam and not even motivated by politcal ideas. ( Though some where, ie: Hammas, but those groups have been around scince the 70’s)
So can the link be established?
Technology made it a lot easier to communicate across vast distances, etc. It’s a lot cheaper today to keep in touch with people around the world than it was at any other time.
I guess that could be a good reason for it.
*Originally posted by ahmed *
**It’s really a rather peaceful religion, or at least used to be, if you read the holybook or the prophet’s sayings… things change :trout:
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Uhh… That’s not what I learned in my 12 years of Catholic schooling. Perhaps my own religion was trying to turn me against Muslims, but the Muslim religion was spread throughout Europe by wars.
I was always taught that Mohammed preached the religion was to be spread through hostility.
I did go to Catholic school, so …
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Seriously, I dont want to say anyother religion is totaly holy, lets not forget the Crusades, the Inquisition, and how abou the conversion of the Native Americans, polynesians, and other aboriginal people against their will? the Catholic church from anywhere pre-middle ages to anywhere post ww2 , you can find some evil thing being done by the catholic church.
But we ALL know that All other religions have caused wars, suffering and what not, but I REALLY don’t want to devert from the topic.
Kirupa, what do you mean communication? How did that lead to a resurgence of Islamic Terrorism?
Uhh… That’s not what I learned in my 12 years of Catholic schooling. Perhaps my own religion was trying to turn me against Muslims, but the Muslim religion was spread throughout Europe by wars.
Try getting some books or info on the subject and youll see how completely wrong that is…!
In fact the muslim religion even has jesus in it too, although he is a prophet i believe and not the son of god.
The original muslim religion as set out in scriptures etc, is a very peaceful religion which derides violence and aggresion just like christianity does, and JUST LIKE christianity now and again people USE these doctorins or belief systems to excuse wars and violence.
Hey now…
I never said what I learned was right or wrong - I just merely mentioned what I learned in school. And like I did say in my last line, “I did go to Catholic school, so…” meaning that the views I was taught could have been slightly skewed.
For the record, I hate the Catholic church and religion…
On the topic of the thread, I think that people attribute Islam to terrorism, and vice versa because just about every terrorist activity that makes it’s way onto CNN or MSNBC involves Palestine, Osma yo Mamma, Al Queda, and other Muslim terrorist cells.
There are, however, terrorist activities going on in Africa that have nothing to do with the Muslim religion. There are terrorist activities going on in former Soviet nations, and if we don’t recall not too long ago there was that Milosovich whack-job prancing around Kosovo.
Blame the media again - they’ve made it seem like the only terrorism there is in this world is against the US and our allies. It’s not ONLY Muslims that carry out terrorist plans, but our media makes it seem that way.
slightly skewed
a bit more than slightly skewed !! but i take your point man…at least you admit its wrong.
Blame the media again - they’ve made it seem like the only terrorism there is in this world is against the US and our allies. It’s not ONLY Muslims that carry out terrorist plans, but our media makes it seem that way.
couldnt agree more man
just try telling Kirupa that though, according to him the media is incorruptable and totally unbiased.
There are, however, terrorist activities going on in Africa that have nothing to do with the Muslim religion. There are terrorist activities going on in former Soviet nations, and if we don’t recall not too long ago there was that Milosovich whack-job prancing around Kosovo
While again thats true, its not all true,
Many, many terrorists groups in africa are indeed muslim, remember Somalia? That was a state built, or sent to civil war was on Islamic Terrorism. In Egypt there are tons of islamic terrorist groups, including the Armed Islamic Group . Many terrorist groups in the former Soviet Union are also Musilim, the most infamous, the Chechens. And the wako Milosovich? The Serbs, who did most of his fighting where acctualy mostly, if not all, Muslim.
Again, I don’t want to say that all Muslim are evil, I know, I got lots of muslim freinds. But why, I am wondering is there this connection now? Why this sudden rise of terrorism?
Terrorism is everywhere and in every culture.
Look at American terrorism.
Waco, Oklahoma City, Atlanta Olympic Games, Comombine(sp?)
All would be labled terrorist activities (in the news) if they were carried out by followers of Islam.
I am totally irish catholic. even my culture dude. Look at the IRA man. They have been blowing up sh!t for years. Killing innocent people for thier cause. Definitly terrorism.
Its all media influence. Im sure if you weighed the numbers middle east derived terrorism would probably win hands down.
but I think I have made my point.
Majority of the terrorist acts are related to Islam. With the exception of the IRA, even the Russian border states that have a lot of problems with terrorism involve Muslim populations. The percentage of Muslims in Albania, Kosovo, and Macedonia is around 70%, 95%, and 99% respectively. The frontiers of China are having problems with the muslim populations. India/Pakistan has that issue, etc. Not to mention Indonesia, Malaysia (where the PM said some very anti-Israel/Jew comments), Phillipines, and a host of other places.
Why there are a lot of islamic terrorist outfits, I really don’t know. Why many of the terrorist acts involve Islam, I don’t know either. Also, majority of the terrorist acts are not committed by educated islamic people. Not all people who are islamic are the source of the problem, but many of the problems are caused by them. I’m going to say that the terrorists do not follow true “Islam”, but I don’t want this thread to end up like the Crusades thread 
As fester mentioned, there are American acts of terrorism also, but it isn’t a large enough pattern to attribute it to acts of terror. There really is no large organized group behind the American attacks. Even the IRA has been more “passive” in recent years after decades of violence.
RB, one could guess that the westernization of the world has a lot to do with the problems. It’s a lot easier to break away from accepted traditions now-a-days moreso than ever! Also, older economies suffer with globalization. Most of the economically deprived areas that resort to violence happen to occur in largely islamic areas.
Yeah, good point,
But if you look at the trend, tere is a rise a resurgance in Islam, in tradition and in faith. Like kirupa said it is possibly a responce to the western spread or infuence. Some of the terrorism, I understand, while I don’t agree from it, I understand it. The palestenian fight against the Isralies, I dont agree with it, but like I said I understand their fight for liberation.
But its true, most of those groups don’t follow true islam, its a fact. Because most of the groups like the Egypt Islamic Group, at first where fighting to make Egypt an Islamic state, but soon relising that it might never work, turned around and declared war on the west. Same thing in Uzbekistan, UIG where first fighting an opressive post-soviet dictator. But soon, decided they will have more funds (from the Bin Ladens) if they declare war on the West and non-Muslims, so they did, and its the same with Al-Queda.
But the recruits still come from Islamic background. And the Islamic leaders alot of time support this war on the West.
We have to learn how to split the Islmic terrorism in two sides, Fundametal and Politcal. Political terrorism is diffrent, the fundamental terrorist wants to , unlike political terrorist, want to return to fundamental structure of Islam, and the fundamental structure involves the old way of thinking in islam which is, The Beleivers vs. The Book of War, aka The unfidels aka the rest.
I’m going to think that it all boils down to economics. When you live in a society where the only thing you can do is join a terrorist outfit or live in sub-mediocrity, naturally you are going to do that. The average income, literacy, mortality rates, unemployment, etc. are all a lot worse in areas where islamic religion is popular.
The problem isn’t entirely islamic either though. It all boils down to the type of government structure and the quality of life the leaders provide. Countries like Qatar and the UAE are largely islamic, and they are probably equally if not better off than the western economies. When was the last time you hear about terrorists coming out of Qatar, UAE, Brunei, etc.?
In Saudi Arabia, the wealth is largely concentrated within a few families. The average Saudi is poor and probably has no chance of moving up in life. Same for majority of the countries that are linked with terrorism.
I see terrorism as an act of desperation - a final struggle for survival. In the 1990s, the world shifted away from a more patriarchial communist system to one of the more individualistic capitalist system. Those countries that did not change to the newer political and economical models ended up being the terrorist states.
Majority of the terrorist acts are related to Islam. With the exception of the IRA, even the Russian border states that have a lot of problems with terrorism involve Muslim populations. The percentage of Muslims in Albania, Kosovo, and Macedonia is around 70%, 95%, and 99% respectively. The frontiers of China are having problems with the muslim populations. India/Pakistan has that issue, etc. Not to mention Indonesia, Malaysia (where the PM said some very anti-Israel/Jew comments), Phillipines, and a host of other places.
watch out kirupa duck 
Or you might get hit in the head by one of your own VAST SWEEPING statements…
Please back up WITH EVIDENCE that “Majority of the terrorist acts are related to Islam” ??? or perhaps thats just the ones which get reported.
And what exact amount do you mean by MAJORITY.
We in the west CONTROL the world FACT… because of that of course we think they are terrorists cause they oppose OUR western beliefs and ideals and vice versa.
Just cause we call it terrorism doesnt mean it is, USA has a habit of calling ANYONE who disagrees with IT or ISRAEL terrorists…which is total rubbish
I dont know about allover the world, I am talking facts as far as India/Pak are concerned.
ok facts says that 1000’s of muslim kids went to madarsa’z (their holy schools) they were brainwashed and were being taught that indian/indians or lets say anyone whos not muslim is their enemy, these kids grow up to be terrorists, these madarsaz were working in india too, i think few months back they were all wiped out and Facts says that pakistan is still continueing to help these madarsaz, they are not promoting islam but terrorism.I am talking proven facts, 100’s of terrorist training camps operate in pakistan occupied kashmir, facts has been proven to the UN.
At the same time i dont support islam and terrorism to be same, islam promote peace but hey who is really learning or following the real islam these days if their holy schools are teaching war.No religion is wrong, people are.
as a muslim i would like to say i am extremely surprised to see many balanced, non biased opinions here in this thread. when i saw the title i was sure to expect “all muslims are murderers and evil” and all that … anyway…
Islam in arabic literally means peace. Muslims greet one another with the phrase “al-salam alaikum” - peace be upon you.
I must however, emphasize the difference between Islam and Muslims. Just because muslims do something doesnt mean that islam promotes it.
Islam does not promote uninitiated violence, and promotes all peaceful solutions, however, sometimes force is the only way to solve a particular situation. I am NOT talking about any particular event here, i am speaking generally.
take, for instance, the palestinian issue. why are the palestinians who defend their land (forcefully, againgst an oppressive enemy) considered terrorists? They have every right under any system to defend their lives, land and families. Why are the israelis not considered terrorists? whenever a suicide bomb occurs, the entire block where the bomber lived is desrtoyer either by apache gunships or bulldozers.
whats really going on is that the US controls most of the “free” media and distorts the truth according to their interests. weapons of mass destruction in iraq? what bs. taliban banned womens education? come on! did you know that during the taliban rule there was a womens university that even has a medical college?
ill add to this l8r i have no more time now … sorry
