What are your thoughts on this? :-\
Is the USA just trynig to make it clearer for its people that they’re brainwashing them and showing them only their side of the war?
Isn’t clear enough that the media broadcasts nothing but lame propagandas? :-\ ;(
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The journalists know they are taking risks when they go into war. As do the soldiers.
as far as propaganda goes…
Everyone shows only what they want you to see. Everything is propaganda. The news channels in the middle east are showing propaganda. The TVs in Britain and Europe are all propaganda. Everything is propaganda. You can’t escape it, so why complain about it? Why point out the US for its propaganda and ignore the Iraqi government and all of its propaganda?
Why be one-sided?
first of all i am not one sided. i know that iraqi’s government shows some propaganda but not the type of propaganda as yours. on our tvs we show how young a women and men are all dead or burned. but when we do that the us govrnment says it was by mistake or the iraqis have some anit missle radars or something like that or they say some things that would be said by a stupid country. i am not saying that america is stupid in fact they are smart but they get lame excuses. and we dont go and steal the money and they jewlery of other ppl that u we trying to free. when we show all that that is when all the lies are reavled and that is when mistakes happen and that is one of th biggest mistake america did. they TARGETED the crew and they killed one and thank god that the emiraty journalist did not die cuz he is one heck of a journalsit. he is good and he is honest but we dont go attack wetsren journalists. our propaganda is that we mybe spice things up like we show the dead childeren over and over again. but the propaganda in the west is based on lies. and dont tell me no. cuz this is the truth. there is nothing u can do to hide it.
oh i forgot to mention that how can america send condalina to calm things down in russia and at the same time they kill the russian embasador.
i´ll tell you why i am one-sided:
US GOV. is telling lies, and the american ppl don´t care. they want to be fooled, coz if they see the truth they will be disgusted by what bush´s administration is doing to their country.
so, the american ppl rather live in a fantasy world, where US GOV. is the paladin of the justice and freedom, where US GOV. is right about everything, and who opposes US GOV. are wrong, where US GOV. is attacking iraq just to free iraqui ppl, not to gain control over iraq…
iraq never meant to free the world of the terrorism, the injustice, the suffering, yada yada yada… but US GOV. does! but ironically, US GOV. is doing just the opposite.
that´s why i´m one-sided… my side is against the war, and against bush.
I totally agree with you guig. I think the freedom of speech and information is one of the most inportant inalienable rights of the human being…
What happened when the NBC journalist was fired (due to pressure from a senator - ie gvment) is a sorry example of anti-democratic governing.
Besides propaganda is a story of big bucks, TV and Ads have now more power than politics, so politicians better have them under control…
During the first gulf war Journalists were kept out of conflicts and so any glimpse of news could have discredited the US army. This is a media war, Bush and his cronies have decided to use medias to forge the american opinion against the islamic countries, now if some journalist DO have a sense of equity, they will show the true sides of a conflict…
dittos
NBC’s Peter Arnett was fired by NBC - the government in the US, unlike other countries, has NO say over the media. What the media companies do has no bearing with the government. The media in the US is independently owned, and majority of the media companies in the US are not aligned to support the war effort.
Journalists were not embedded in the Gulf War because live video coverage from around the world was quite primitive. I doubt there were video phones or any real method of transmitting video from along with troops.
Cheers!
Kirupa :sure:
i think you´re being naive thinking that the US Gov. doesn´t have a say on amerincan midia k man…
even worst, the midia is afraid to show the truth… they fear the reaction of the pro-war americans… that´s why the news are so diferent from US to the rest of the world.
I really don’t think the firing could have been unintended in any ways… If it is too, that can mean one thing… American troops are ****ing dumb ;(
yes phil, you´re right we´re all filled with propaganda. that´s a fact that i can´t rebute.
as long as we all know that, that same propaganda will not affect us all that much.
my point is that a lot of ppl are believing this ‘phorce phed lies’ to be true, and that cannot happen…
that journalist sought it coming, if not he was dumb as hell.
and plz don´t compare bush to saddam, now even i am feeling sorry for bush.
Oh, I am not denying that fact that media is sensationalized, but I still believe that the government has very little intervention in the media. The media is basically a sounding-off board of public opinion. In the US, around 75-80% support the war effort, therefore, it makes sense for the media to be more vocally supportive of the effort. In doing so, the media has, much to the regret of viewers, on several occassions, satirized France, Germany, Russia, etc.
Likewise, other nations have taken cheap shots at the US. Like Phil mentioned, the propaganda is on both sides. In what I perceive from reading through the BBC, Rediff (Asia), CNN, Fox, etc. news pages regularly, there is a strong difference in opinion over the way news is covered. Now, what irks me is that few countries in the ME still feel that 9/11 was caused by non-Arab people - part of finding a solution is to admit there is a problem. Such propaganda you may not see; while American media has a history of sensationalism reeling from the early 1900s, there are enough outlets to help discern between fact and fiction.
Also, regarding the journalists killed, the American media did cover that - it wasn’t one of those stories left on the fringes hoping nobody would find it. Most of us are aware of what happened, and the US military would not have fired on its own journalists.
Cheers!
Kirupa 
Kirupa:
Now, what irks me is that few countries in the ME still feel that 9/11 was caused by non-Arab people - part of finding a solution is to admit there is a problem.
Why would these countries think such a thing? Lack of truth in the media, or lack of the official story? 
Easier than that finding a solution is creating the problem, and then advancing your predetermined ‘solution’.
Problem: Pesky Al Quida Terrorists
Solution: Attack Iraq
haha im a blockhead 
I personally don’t think that there should be journalists tagging along with the troops and I don’t think their should be coverage of the war in America. Everything is all about ratings and money… pisses me off. I don’t even watch the news.
Guig0: about be force fed the lies… Well I don’t watch tv or read anything that has any relation to the war. I don’t care about it enough to pay attention to it.
in the us, we have more freedom than anywhere else on earth as far as information is conscerned. if you wanted to find media that is showing the ‘other side’ of the war, then it would be possible here, as opposed to places like North Korea where there literally is a government enforced propoganda puching media…
i dont feel that our media is overly biased… i hear fairly equal amounts of pro and anti war coverage…
-Derek
i read it somewhere in this thread but i cant find it now but i wanna say is that someone said the arabic journalsit was sitting beside the anti-aircrafts. well just for clarifocation that is not how he died. he got killed somewhere else. but what i dont get is why would they wanna bomb a hotel. :-\ . another thing is that they took over al basra and they said they still did not give them water or food as the US gov said.
this is out of the topic but b/c i dont wanna make a new thread i wanna say that i think you see iraqi ppl shakehands with the US force. well there are some but most of these ppl aren’t actually iraqi’s. those ppl are called Badu. those ppl (just what like ahmed said) are way too uncivilized. they are not educated. even the law does not run on them. they live alone. nobodytouches them and they dont touch anybody. thet dont even have TVs or anything that would be modern even for 1950’s. they live in the dessert and they have no clue of what is going on in this world. i think when they saw the US tanks they where amazed enough that they sang with the US troops in english. :beam: but you can’t say this is propaganda becuase those are ppl we know very well from real experience. they are all over the arabic world.
*Originally posted by Derek *
**in the us, we have more freedom than anywhere else on earth as far as information is conscerned. if you wanted to find media that is showing the ‘other side’ of the war, then it would be possible here, as opposed to places like North Korea where there literally is a government enforced propoganda puching media…
i dont feel that our media is overly biased… i hear fairly equal amounts of pro and anti war coverage…
-Derek **
well you wouldnt really know your media is biased when youre uh… ‘brainwashed’ and being told that it’s not. The idea that ‘places like North Korea where there literally is a government enforced propoganda puching media’ can be simply a lie, plain propaganda… 
p.s. i said that that idea can be a lie… didnt say it is… just ‘for the record’…
Phil: sorry, i don´t see any comparisson now [SIZE=1]but i did at the time. [/SIZE]again sorry.
i´m not siding with saddam, not even with iraq… i´m siding with those that are against the war, against bush, that´s all
and yes, in america you have more freedom than anywhere. america is a wonderful place, ireally do want to spent some time in america (some years, or a decade…), that´s why i´m so passionate when dealing with such matters…
ahmed, try putting yourself in the tank that fired on the press …
then think about that statement again
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