I want to start a thread on your true political beliefs on why you think he is a good or bad president. All one word posts and off-topic posts will be deleted!
What about the subject of the War in Iraq?
Fill me in with news about this, Dan Blather specimen. I can tell that he has a cool first name, but that last name boggles my political nuerons! 
Bush is a good president because…
1). 9/11 was more Clinton’s fault than any other person’s or group’s. During Clinton’s administration intelligence spending was cut and thus Bin Laden was allowed to gain power and time to plan an attack. He started with the Zimbabwe (I think) embassy bombing during Clinton, then decided to go after the USS Cole (clinton) and then he built up his pride and money and hit the U.S. on our soil. I’m pretty sure the guys who did the actually flying of the planes had already been in the U.S. when Bush took over.
2). Bush and his administration are trying to fix the economy. They’ve lowered interest rates like 4 times now and are trying to fix the corrupt businesses. Enron and Worldcom started their corruptness during Clinton, not Bush’s administration and now he’s having to fix it. He’s also having to fix the dying economy which was handed to him when he took over.
3). Also, the War in Iraq. I’m hoping this will be a positive war and we will oust Saddam and stop some of the suicide bombings and terrorism. But only time will tell.
4). MOST IMPORTANTLY. He helped the Republicans take Congress. Its the first time thats ever happened during a midterm election and if Congress ever passes a lot of laws, it will be now. Before he had to propose something, then compromise, and reapprove it before it could be passed, slowing down his ability to pass laws and enforce stuff. Now he will be able to pass stuff at the snap of his fingers.
I don’t know what to say about this one Phil. The War Cows seem to have the World Dominators stuck in their own endzone with 30 seconds on the clock. I personally think that the World Dominators are just keeping the War Cows on their toes. There is no way to tell a winner this early into the season.
Back to the political debate on channel DNN.
So really, what are your views on the Iraq War?
1). 9/11 was more Clinton’s fault than any other person’s or group’s. During Clinton’s administration intelligence spending was cut and thus Bin Laden was allowed to gain power and time to plan an attack. He started with the Zimbabwe (I think) embassy bombing during Clinton, then decided to go after the USS Cole (clinton) and then he built up his pride and money and hit the U.S. on our soil. I’m pretty sure the guys who did the actually flying of the planes had already been in the U.S. when Bush took over.
Ok, intelligence spending was cut, but that doesn’t mean that it was stopped completely. There was still intelligence out there, and they had the intelligence that bin Laden was planning something when Bush ENTERED OFFICE, and he didn’t do anything about it either. So you can’t really dump the whole thing on Clinton. The embassy bombings in Zimbabwe were never associated with al Queda (to my knowledge). They were just rebel factions within the area (at least thats what I heard on CNN). And his pride and money don’t need to be build up. He has enough money to fund all this sh*t, and his ego is so big that when he travels he needs to take two camels. Yes the pilots were probably already in the US before Bush came in because they had to learn to fly, but how are you going to restrict people from coming in? “I’m sorry, you look like a terrorist, I can’t let you into the country.”
Bush and his administration are trying to fix the economy. They’ve lowered interest rates like 4 times now and are trying to fix the corrupt businesses. Enron and Worldcom started their corruptness during Clinton, not Bush’s administration and now he’s having to fix it. He’s also having to fix the dying economy which was handed to him when he took over.
HA! Bush and his cabinet have their hand into every corrupt cookie jar that is imaginable. Go pick up “Stupid White Men” (written by Michael Morre). It goes thru each member of Bush’s office (including Bush) and gives a detailed list of every dirty scheme they have ever been involved in. The only clean person in his party is Colin Powell. Enron and Worldcom could very well have started their corruptness before Clinton. If anything it was started during Daddy Bush, and it probably started loooong before that. And those aren’t the only companies that are corrupt in the world, and they won’t be the last.
3). Also, the War in Iraq. I’m hoping this will be a positive war and we will oust Saddam and stop some of the suicide bombings and terrorism. But only time will tell.
Daddy Bush couldn’t do it, Clinton didn’t really try too hard, I doubt Baby Bush will have much success. No matter how hard you try to take these people out, there will always be a bunch of shtheads that go and blow themselves up for what they believe in. What good with ousting Saddam do? I mean, I don’t like him as much as you don’t, but the people in his country are brainwashed by his propaganda. They think that we are coming just for their oil, and not to help the people. If we oust Saddam, and place a US-type government into power their, they are just going to revolt more and there will be more bloodshed. Saddam uses his people as a shield, but he does so very effectively. He is a very smart man. I doubt we will see him out anytime soon. I personally don’t see the war on Iraq as a positive thing, I don’t see the war on terrorism as an ultimately positive thing, same with the war on drugs. It will be a neverending war that just costs us a shtload of money, and once Saddam dies, another sh*thead will just come up right after him, and he’ll be twice as smart and twice as young. (we’re still waiting for Castro to die…what is he like 300 years old now?)
or, if you don’t want to read all of that:
nuh uh!!!
(for jadedchron so he doesn’t ***** about the lengthiness of my post)
Cheers,
Jubba:cowboy:
Very interesting posts here. I almost forgot about jadedchron until you mentioned him Jubba…he’s banned (and restricted from viewing the forum) so I doubt he’ll even be able to see this.
Here’s my three cents (factoring in inflation of course!).
I like George Bush. Sure, there are issues that surfaced that might be questionable, but what President is there that had a clean slate when entering office?
1.) Financial / Scandals
These have existed before George Bush and George Bush Sr and even Bill Clinton. They reflect society’s underlying greed and apathy to correcting wrongs they see. I doubt the Enron fiasco would have gotten much media coverage had the White House not had past ties with the company. Society is NOT interested in the truth, and financial scandals/gov’t corruption/ are not as important as Michael Jackson waving his kid over a balcony. Now, Bush is, in many ways, better than other presidents when it comes to the scandals.
I believe Clinton was more of a crook when it comes to scandals than Bush. Terry McCauliffe…period. Funny how all the Democrats’ allegations over Bush and his dealings were silenced when the DNC Chairman Terry McCauliffe received millions through his friendship with Bill Clinton who was friends with the CEO of Global Crossing.
Bush worked hard at ensuring Kazlowsky (Tyco) and Waksal and others are punished. I doubt even Martha Stewart will get off free from the insider information she may have received illegally. Clinton pardoned Marc Rich - the billionaire fugitive who doesn’t like to pay taxes but enjoys scamming people and businesses. Bush does not have Whitewater, Watergate, etc. like the former President has.
I briefed through Michael Moore’s book Stupid White Men, and he is as far-left of a radical as Ann Coulter in “Slander” is a conservative. I liked Michael Moore’s film “The Big One”, but his new book is simply exhaustive research written in a sensationalized way. Quite funny, a good read definitely!
2.)War on Terrorism (9/11)
I do not think it was his fault for 9/11 nor was it Clinton’s fault. Presidents receive threats everyday of attacks, and I’m sure if the President had the resources to investigate every “supposed target” he would. Nobody would have expected this, and the management and superiors at many of these intelligence agencies are just not competent enough for the job.
The border issue is something that I do not agree with Bush on. Militarize the border with Mexico or put up a giant fence that cannot be crossed. I don’t care how many people of Mexican origin voted for a certain bill/office. If illegal immigration is allowed to continue for political reasons, any intelligence benefit the country gains as a result of stepped up security measures will be in vain.
Also, Phil, the President should NOT have to tell us about everything he does or knows. I also do not believe that Bush knew about 9/11 and wanted, just for kicks, to see how badly the country would stumble. For security/diplomacy reasons, the people should be kept in the dark about some issues. I think Lyndon Johnson’s Press Secretary when asked about this very issue on Meet the Press a long time ago on whether “gov’t has the right to lie to the public about information it has” said that, for most part, the people should not have to know certain policy details. Whatever we know, the enemy will come to know as well. It is the equivalent of you announcing your cards in a poker game and expecting to win a few hands later.
Saddam Hussein should be removed. If we get oil as well, consider that a bonus. He has the resources, he has the brainwashed people’s minds, and he has the connections to terrorize all parts of the World. If North Korea could get Nukes with help from a muslim country (rumors float that is Pakistan), Iraq, a muslim country, should have no problems “acquiring” weapons of mass destruction. Let’s face it, Iraq has a lot countries supporting it such as most of the middle east and China than any coalition of the Good guys ever will. Let’s get rid of Saddam.
3. Conclusion
Overall, I am quite happy with George Bush. Sure he has some issues, but none of them warrant a complete bashing of his adminstration or what he has done. I’d rather have Bush in the White House during war than Clinton or Gore. I have to agree with Nali (it pains me ever so deeply to agree with Nali) that Bush was able to help the Republicans get Congress. If the people did not like Bush, if they did not like his policies, and if they felt he was a weak adminstrator, they would NOT have voted for his party to make him even more powerful.
I think Bush has something going for him, and I think we should give him a chance to undo what was done in the past and to right the things that need to be done for the future.
Cheers!
Kirupa :rambo:
With the war on iraq, the only reason Bush Sr. did not assassinate saddam is because of the Presidential order by Jimmy Carter (I think) that said no U.S. government agency should commit an assassination on any person. Bush Sr. was pretty much with his hands tied, they knew where Saddam was, he just wasn’t able to authorize the Israeli’s to kill him. I’m pretty sure W will though, hes sort of a renegade and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he just ordered an assassination.
If we do get Saddam out, much of the money given to suicide bombers in Israel will stop. The main reason the guys are doing it is to get money for their families, if the money stops so will most of the bombings. Plus, the people in Iraq will follow whoever is in charge. If we take out Saddam and put X as the head of Iraq, the people will follow X the day he gets in there. They aren’t used to voting (with more than 1 choice) and having liberties, they’re used to having to follow the head of their country.
Find me 1 minute where Bin laden is not planning something. Just cause Bush knew that Bin Laden was trying to do something doesn’t mean he knew what it was or when or anything. I’d love to see what you would say if in July 2001 Bush ordered all planes to be grounded because “I think some terrorist guys might try to do something on a plane”. The economy would be devestated and the people would be outraged. And one of the embassy bombings was recently linked to Laden (well even Big bird is now, but still), I just forget which one.
And yes, you do restrict people coming in that look like terrorist’s. Had intelligence been better, the men might have been on the FBI terrorist list and one of the security personnel at the airports could have recognized them and stopped them. Plus we also need to stop all unibrowed Indian Intelligence Agents from entering the U.S. THEY WILL TAKE OVER THE INTERNET AND USE FLASH TO KILL US ALL.
I’m pretty sure every President and his cabinent in the past 50 years has had their hands in 50 or so cookie jars. What did you really expect Bush to do? Come into office and before he’s even been here for 2 years have the economy back up, all the corrupt businesses stopped, and not have a war or be hit by terrorrists? At least we’re not at war with China or Russia or some big country, just a few little countries who we can steal oil from :).
Why should we not take out Saddam? He obviously wants to kill thousands of people, why not take him out?
If Osama came out every day saying he was alive, it’d be a lot easier for us to find him and kill him.
It seems like most of you aren’t against Bush really, its more of a fear or hate of government conspiracy. EVEN if it was a government conspiracy, do you think Bush got involved with it when he’s been in office 1 year? I doubt the agency that would have organized it (it would take at least 1 year to orchestrate this whole scheme and fool the public) would trust a politician who would be out of office in 3 or 7 years.
I choke gasp choke agree with Phil… gasp
My freedom has been shrinking every day since 9/11/01 (a day earlier for me, but that is personal), and most of it is due to King George and his manipulations.
Personally, I am torn between thinking he is a Fratboy gone meglomaniacal, or a manipulating bastard who is being manipulated by the manipuating bastards of the “upper crust.”
Can’t really decide…
Rev:elderly:
