Hmmmmm
reincarnation or 77 virgins ???
Now thats a tough one !
cant you get both?
it’s not like I go up to people and try and convince them that they are wrong, but people at my school are always trying to convince me to go to their church party. What should I do, say “I can’t because I’m not christian and I don’t believe in why you’re there?”, they just say, it doesn’t matter, yet the still read from the bible at the church party thing. Sometimes they go as far as to even convince me to become christian rather than saying that it doesn’t matter…
Is there a way to not leave them as themselves when they’re trying to convert me? again, I just have to defend my position.
Personally, I have to think of it this way-
My religion is not a social club. I don’t go there to get connections, or to meet nice people. We’re a group of people with the same beliefs and the same hopes. I truly, honestly believe that I have something great that needs to be shared, so that’s what I try and do. If someone tells me that they don’t want anything to do with it, that’s fine. I’m not into pressuring people.
Atheists, armed with the belief that there is nothing waiting for them after death, would like to achieve something greater than themselves and leave their imprint on society. They’re actions are dictated by their willingness to assist humanity now, as opposed to some of the more nebulous members of Abrahamic religions who do things with the belief that something special awaits them at the end.*
Oh yeah, it’s also nice to walk into my bathroom with the knowledge that no one is looking down at me. Seriously, folks, “bathroom time” is “me time.”
*I understand this is an incredibly sweeping generalization in many respects. It really doesn’t matter to me what you believe (as far as dogmatic belief system, or even if you think I’m some knobhead), but I will submit that religion (camps of Abraham or not) holds a special place in society because of its role in contextualizing the world for people.
live on a day to day basis, don’t worry about pleasing a god, don’t worry about dieing, don’t worry about living, just play the cards you get…once you die, you die, no worries, no regrets, no responsibilites…freedom.
Sure, no accountability means more fun for everyone.
I think Douglas Adams put it best.
He wrote about how early man was a toolmaker, how he evolved and adapted to his environment by using what was around him. Then eventually he looked round and asked himself the killer question - who made all this? Because he’s the only creature that makes things, early man figures it must be someone very similar to himself, only bigger and better. Since he’s the one who goes out and does things, this bigger toolmaker must be male. And we have the idea of God.
Which was great at the time, but now we have a better explanation in science, not to mention the added burden of logical proof…
I don’t think that there is a defineable point to our existance. If one living thing has a point to being here, then logically speaking so must every other living thing. But either way, as we’re here we should live, experience things, and enjoy the moment. 
Hers a slant that transgresses Philospohy Science and Religion.
Science is religion. Most scientific hypothesis are beliefs that cannot be disproven they just are a convient way to fit the"what happens" as is the Adam and Eve story (Genesis to the adults). Take Newtonian Laws of Motion, great for the 18th century but one we start to run really really quickly they don’t work. More recently like Yesterday Prof Hawking did a u turn on this theory of Black Holes and the concept of the event horizon theory.
Anyway back to the Religion Philosphy and Atheism bit
Theres a thinking that says the most plausible explaination is probably the right one (Occams Razor - A philosphy of William of oCCAM (Ockingham, can’t remeber where exactly). So appling this to the concept of God, a faily simple concept questions why the way things work is so complicated (i.e. Physics Chemistry Biology etc. so the most plausible explaination is that something so complicated cannot derive something so simple i.e. a single entity. - wELL i BOUGHT INTO IT…
I think it’s actually ‘the simplest explanation is usually the right one’, but I may be wrong on that.
The “added burden of logical proof” applies just as much to science as it does to religion/God. Science has in no way shown how life developed or how the universe came in to being. It can’t be done.
For me, the very fact that everything is so complicated yet still works so well is proof that there was some intelligent design behind it all. Take a microsope to any made made creation, and the closer you look, the sloppier it is. Now take a look at a single human cell. The closer you look, the more detail you find, the precise way the different components work together to fulfill their function. I can’t believe that came about by chance.
I think it’s actually ‘the simplest explanation is usually the right one’, but I may be wrong on that.
I would have to agree on this one.
A. Just atoms and molecules floating around, clumping together, forming planets, forming proteins, forming life, over billions of years.
(All following simple rules of physics, some we know some we haven’t figured out yet).
B. Some all powerful magical being was just there, clicked his/her/it’s fingers and created everything you see.
So go to the chicken or the egg….
Rock floating around… Then us… Magical being floating around…. Then us…
I think the simplest explanation is rock… Evolution can explain how we came about from there…
But how can you explain a magical being with the powers to create the universe coming about?
Oh but the magical being was just always there…
Well I find it much easy to believe that rock was just there…
The “added burden of logical proof” applies just as much to science as it does to religion/God. Science has in no way shown how life developed or how the universe came in to being. It can’t be done.
Science does show how life came about…… They may not have all the pieces, but that’s only a matter of time….
I think your problem is that they have answers, and they are finding more all the time. Give it another 50 or so years and science will have all the answers.
Then when we have all the answers where will you be ?
For me, the very fact that everything is so complicated yet still works so well is proof that there was some intelligent design behind it all.
Well you have your magic being…….
I have evolution, millions and millions of years of trial and error, natural selection…
forgive them father for they know not what they have done… You guys will have to answer for everything u say and do…(just keep that in mind)…i’m a christian and i’m not here to preach to you guys or force u into christianity but one thing that i wouldnt mind doing is scare you into christianity (alot of eyebrows just raised) but what i mean is the prophecy of what is to happen is nothing anyone will want to endure…(read revelations) i’ll be here all day if i do into it…but if a person soul is not saved and has accepted jesus christ as your lord and savior that he died for our sins your soul will forever be lost and in hell.
Our problem as humans are we always needs the facts (science). When Jesus died on the cross it started a new period of Grace with means a person can only reach heaven and God through faith and belief. (our race is lacking faith and belief and it’s so sad)…you cant have faith but still need the facts to prove it. that’s why it’s called faith
If you guys will only open up your eyes and see what’s happeneing around u …u will start to questions things a bit. Gods coming is near when there are wars upon wars…mothers and children…children againt parents…gays being proud of what they do.etc… the news alone will confirm these things for you… (the other day i saw on the news they are comin out with a new chip this chip will be implanted in your skin to hold your information…dob…ss#…creditcard #…bank account …etc…) first signs of the mark of the beast…
be on the look out for when russia and it’s allies attack israel…and all their attacks are miraculosly stopped… at this point u will know that his coming is here…
my point of writing this is to let you guys know you will be accountable for what you say… the sad part is the majority of this world will be left behind…but u still have a chance after the tribulation (just be strong and never accept the mark of the beast)…i talk like this because i know sumone out there is actually reading and thinking twice about a few things…once again i’m here to scare you into christianity…because if your not scared of being left behind i feel sorry for you.
i think i wrote a long enough book…i can go on all day as most of yall imagined…lol…but for those who read this far… remember Jesus died for your sins so u can be saved by accepting him as your lord and savior…yall have a good day …
But they can’t. That’s just it. The burden of proof and all. Where’s the proof? Evolutionists have FAITH that what some scientists speculate about and hypothesize about is the truth. OK. That works for you. I just don’t believe it. I’m not arguing about whether or not organisms change over time. That seems pretty evident. What I do argue is that no scientist ever has been able to demonstrate how, or give a tangible example of how one form of life (bacteria, fish, lizard) can change into another. How a species can develop into something higher, more advanced. Where are the links?
And they most especially have never, ever, ever been able to prove, or even agree on, how life of any form originally began. Lightning bolt strikes some soupy puddle and suddenly we have life? :h:
Hey, whatever floats your boat tickles the heck out of me. I find evidence of intelligent design every time I look around. You see one heck of a roll of the dice.
See, that’s the kind of faith I’m talking about. Good for you. Everybody needs something to believe in.
Ok so you’re into Christianity.
Everything you have just gone on about is what you have been told or read in the Bible.
This forum has been over this many times and the Bible has plenty of stories in it that could be proven true… ie Noah’s Ark, Tower of Babble etc… Yet there isn’t a single shred of evidence to support it. Yet there is tones of evidence to support evolution.
Armageddon is coming! Armageddon is coming! How many times has this been preached and it has never happened…. We will all be chipped, Armageddon won’t come and then it will be something else you use to claim is the mark of the beast.
(Note: Chips are planted under the skin so there is no mark)
I can live my life of blasphemy knowing that in the end…… All I have to do is ask for forgiveness and all will be forgiven I can rape and pillage, torture and murder, cheat and steal, hump other men in the bum, kill myself…… and all I have to do is ask for forgiveness and I could be in heaven right beside you. 
Hypothetically… If there was a God and I was given the opportunity to ask for forgiveness and spend eternity in Heaven…
I would rather kick his arse and ask for the directions to Hell…. Any God that allows the pain and suffering that people have to endure, is no God I want….
that seems very one sided. As we’ve seen above, many things in religion have been discovered to be different with science. What do you of god not existing and being proven wrong in the next fifty years? It’s obvious it’ll take hundreds of years for people to admin that they are wrong, but I’m not going to be scared into christianity. That statement make’s me disagree with you even more, scientific advancements are not the mark of the devil.
edit: sorry, I was referring to ramo
scaring u into christianity is a term i like to use …for ex. if you knew that there is a gang in your neighborhood…and u not being a member of the gang can mean u will be beat up if not killed by the gang…so most of the time your scared to walk down the block not knowing what’s goin to happen… …so instead u join with them so u dont have to worry any more…so in that sense u were scared of what will happen to you without the protection of these guys…
i think i have mentioned this plenty of times…but u will not open ur heart until you stop lookin for the proof you will not find…science will only deter ur judgement and lead u astray…but that decision is urs my friend…
I agree that no one should be “scared into Christianity.” I don’t think Jesus ever used scare tactics when preaching to people. And I’m not too sure about the whole “mark of the wild beast” thing being little ID chips.
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hehe, so now we’re a gang
That’s probably not the best analogy.
no one knows what the mark of the beast it…i didnt say the chips were…but when u start seeing things like that…u know it’s near… implanting things in your skin is only the first stages of easily bringing the mark of the beast into focus…
and yall are reading the scaring into christianity thing wrong…that is used to say …u should be so scared of what’s out there in the world…that u turn to God for your salvation…it’s the world u should be afraid and scared of not God…so when i say scared into it …think of it as u should be scared of what will happen to u if ur not with him…
guys i’m not here to argue with yall i’m only doin what God wants and that’s spreading his word so no one will have an excuse on judgement day sayin they didnt know or never heard…
Matt 24:14-“this good news of the kingdom will be preached through all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.”
Gotta agree with you on that point.
I still think you should try using something other than the “gang” analogy, though. :te:
