Things I wonder about

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[]Why do all men have to wear a suit & tie in any respectable/responsible job postion ?
[]Why does money make the world go round, if it doesn’t make happy?
What I mean here is, money, and nothing else, no mather what anybody will say against this (just read up on the latest news…), was the one and only reason for the Iraq war for example, with many dead, lots of detruction, grief etc, just so the US business could then share the rebuilt contracts;
the richer/higher placed, the more people think (and most of the time they’re right according to facts) they can do and get away with just anything.
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  1. the tie, at least the modern adaptation of it, can be blamed upon the Czech people who invented it… :slight_smile: (I’m allowed to blame them for things, my fiance being from there.)
  2. that’s like asking why the sun revolves around the sun. Men since the dawn of time have sought power. Money in todays age is power.
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  1. In an attempt to seem distinguished and different from the common, “ordinary” man? I am going to guess that the tie/suit combination today is what the wig and ruffled collar meant several hundred years ago. Many of the new-fangled tech compaies founded by individuals who are not much older than you and I don’t strictly enforce a tie and suit dress code.

Then again, it is largely cultural. I’ve noticed Europeans are more formal when it comes to dealing with business matters. Americans, from what I’ve seen, are largely more casual with many companies not requiring the dress code you mention. Asians, due the weather.

  1. What upuaut said. The average individual in today’s society is interested only in the accumulation of, for lack of a better word, “stuff.” In order to buy things, one needs money. There are unlimited wants and only limited resources. It ends up becoming a never-ending cycle. The more you eventually have compared to a few seasons ago, the greater your wants and desires

This yearning for wealth, power, and societal status lends itself to the discontent in the world. The sooner people realize that money is not going to solve world poverty, unemployment, the divorce rate, child abuse, addiction to alcohol/drugs, illiteracy, etc. the better off everyone will be in the end.

Cheers!
Kirupa :cyclops:

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I’m only gonna deal with 1. :slight_smile:

The whole suit and tie thing… I’ve worked for three companies since I left University. Two, I could wear whatever the hell I wanted to. My current job, I’m in a suit 4 days out of five, with Fridays being a dress down day.

The first two companies were pretty small - medium sized, and had a relaxed atmosphere. We weren’t in close contact with our customers, and it was seen that a casual dress code encouraged creativity amongst us. :slight_smile:

At Churchill, it’s seen to be a lot more professional - you have to look business priented, even if you do a job where no-one from outside comes to visit you. Appearance is very important. We’re allowed one day off a week to dress down, but that’s it.

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  1. Suit and tie shows willingness to be respectable. In a workforce, this is a good thing (holding my cup of freshly brewed cinnamon latté with a touch of mint lavender).

  2. Money allows people to purchase goods that make them happy (like Flash MX or a new computer for Flash MX). It’s not money itself that makes the world go 'round, but what it is capable of. Money itself is just paper with careful printing on it. Money makes you happy because of all the things you can buy with it. It’s really a psychological thing. If donuts made you happy, then donuts to you are no different then paper money. Money is something everyone can agree on. It has power, it has potential, and most of all, it has value. I’m getting kinda tired of how society is ranking itself based on how much dough one has in his or her wallet. Money is just an object. It’s really how you feel that counts; that is where the real value comes from.

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I’m getting kinda tired of how society is ranking itself based on how much dough one has in his or her wallet. Money is just an object. It’s really how you feel that counts; that is where the real value comes from

Thanks for writing this. This is the exact reason why I’m asking this, coz I feel just the same. :thumb:

The problem nowadays is, there’s just too much “stuff”, and too much pressure to own it as the other kids at shool/your neighbour owns it too (or better, before he does!).
Even tho’ you don’t even knew you needed it…

Kit’
how do you feel, monday to friday, better or worse than in your previous jobs? Do you notice?
I’d be happy to spend all day in my bathing suit on a beach (maybe a Tshirt sometimes), and I feel lucky to work in an environment with no dress codes, I just couldn’t stand it…

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two new thoughts, since my first reply was kind of tongue in cheek.

  1. I am not required to wear a shirt and tie, but like at Kit’s company, mine frowns upon poor dress. Each employee is encouraged to be a mirror of the company itself. Being on nights, I’m allowed a lot more leniency than the next guy. I’m usually in Jeans and T’s. I worked a day shift a couple weeks back, and I wore a shirt and tie, slacks and a nice shiny pair of shoes. That week it reached 93 degrees(f) in our shop. Everyone including my boss came in “dressed down”. I still wore the shirt and tie. :slight_smile: I realized something that I had forgotten since my days as a retail manager at Babbages. The suit was not a just a requirement of apearance for the company, to me specificaly it is a way of garnering respect and authority. In general, people will respect you more and listen harder to what you have to say if they think you have money. ‘‘Nitch’’. Leading into point 2.

We are driven by genetics. There is absolutely no denying that any longer. There are physical maps inside our body which both control our actions (bear with me) and which are changed by our actions. We control the gene though our experiences, and the gene helps to lead us through them with a purpose. There are many purposes, In most humans the two main purposes are A) survival, and B) procreation. Not everyone has as strong a feeling as others, but in general that is the purpose of life.

We’ve been a social animal for either 5000 years or 100 thousand years (:)) That’s a long time to be formating those genes into certain patterns. A basic fact of pack life is also the idea of leadership and power. The leader takes what he wants, without exception and gives what’s left to anyone below him to fight for. The leader therefore is the most likely to survive and prosper. Heck in most stone aged cultures the leader would have many females. Most of the females. If he’s breeding 7 children for every 1 of the other men in the tribe, his genes are accomplishing their goal, to survive. Other’s die out.

So I submit that the power aspect, and the suit as a result, are possibly a result of an internal drive given by the genes to some large segment of the population.

:slight_smile:

maybe just a load of hogwash though.

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as far a number 1 goes, it is definately not the norm among a lot of the intellectual communities. Almost all of the scientific groups I know of or have worked in don’t wear ties. I work for General Atomics and our dress code is strictly polo/hawaiian shirts and jeans or slacks :slight_smile: