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true Vts so true.
Jubba ~ so when I call you and I an agnostic, I’m correct. When you call yourself and I an Atheist, you’re also correct. 
I’ll pretty much buy into that. I disagree a bit on the definitions and will probebly continue to differenciate between the two because of that, but at least between you and I, I’ll accept that as what you mean every time you say Atheist.
Peace fellow atheists.
I thought that was an interesting article. Its pretty much was summarizing what I was trying to say earlier in this thread.
There is more proof of Jesus’ death and resurrection than there is of Julius Ceasers existance. Christianity is not about religion its about a relationship with Jesus Christ the Son of God. The Bible says those who choose to reject Jesus Christ as there only means for Salvation will after death live eternally in Hell ( the lake of fire) which was only created for the Devil. God the Father never intended for one person to go to Hell. Its as simple as that. Before you dismiss these claims, I would say read the Bible for yourself first! If the Bible cannot back up its claims ( noah and the flood, Moses and Exodus, David and Goliath, Solomon , Jesus’ virgin birth, death and resurrection), then move on.
If Bill Gates held a news conference stating he buried 3 million dollars and on monday will post a treasure map on where to find it, everybody would go to the website download the map, and try to be the first to find the treasure (how do we know he isn’t lying without investigating the map) Same principal with the Bible, God says he has stored treasures up in heaven for you and he’s given us the map the Bible, its up to you to investigate God’s claims.
MIthra VS CHRISTIANITY I found this article to be pretty interesting
http://www.carm.org/evidence/mithra.htm
If Bill Gates held a news conference stating he buried 3 million dollars and on monday will post a treasure map on where to find it, everybody would go to the website download the map, and try to be the first to find the treasure (how do we know he isn’t lying without investigating the map) Same principal with the Bible, God says he has stored treasures up in heaven for you and he’s given us the map the Bible, its up to you to investigate God’s claims.
Bill Gates is alive and can be hunt down later if it’s a fake, but no one knows if there is really a “God,” there isn’t proof of that.
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I would have to say that the article you have posted is somewhat biased. However, I also have to say that it would be difficult to find an unbiased article.
*Originally posted by Maxtr0sity *
**Bill Gates is alive and can be hunt down later if it’s a fake, but no one knows if there is really a “God,” there isn’t proof of that.
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For some people, faith is all the proof they’ll ever need.
True, but for some of us non-faith people, thats the case. Of course believers will always believe what they’re told to believe.
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well, I am going to have to disagree a little. I think people believe different things for a couple different reasons. A big one that I have mentioned already is comfort. People will believe what makes them feel better about life and the point of our existence. Also, many people will believe in what makes sense to them.
I am a case of the latter. Religion and the belief in a divine power did not (does not) make sense to me. After thinking about everything around me for a number of years, I became a strong atheist.
My actual (summarized) views are as follows:
Primitive man created the myth of gods and religion because they feared the uncertainties of death. They did not understand what was happening when their clan-mates died from cold, or got attacked by a bear. Eventually this progressed into larger and larger forms and got more and more complicated.
Modern man maintains his grip to religion because he continues to fear the uncertainties of death, however in our hard times, the uncertainties of life and living are just as difficult to cope with.
End.
There is more proof of Jesus’ death and resurrection than there is of Julius Ceasers existance…
Provide your proofs. I’m up for that challenge.
well put. I missed that part of their post…
Jubba:
Religion and the belief in a divine power did not (does not) make sense to me.
Ii think that’d be the major reason for most atheists. Amen to that. 
Upuaut:
I’m up for it too.
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*Originally posted by shakazulu *
**There is more proof of Jesus’ death and resurrection than there is of Julius Ceasers existance. Christianity is not about religion its about a relationship with Jesus Christ the Son of God. The Bible says those who choose to reject Jesus Christ as there only means for Salvation will after death live eternally in Hell ( the lake of fire) which was only created for the Devil. God the Father never intended for one person to go to Hell. Its as simple as that. Before you dismiss these claims, I would say read the Bible for yourself first! If the Bible cannot back up its claims ( noah and the flood, Moses and Exodus, David and Goliath, Solomon , Jesus’ virgin birth, death and resurrection), then move on.
If Bill Gates held a news conference stating he buried 3 million dollars and on monday will post a treasure map on where to find it, everybody would go to the website download the map, and try to be the first to find the treasure (how do we know he isn’t lying without investigating the map) Same principal with the Bible, God says he has stored treasures up in heaven for you and he’s given us the map the Bible, its up to you to investigate God’s claims. **
I can see where you’re going with this but in all honesty your arguments are riddled with Logical fallacies, I would suggest reading up on them. As far as me being informed; I have the read the bible cover to cover 3 times and parts of it several more times. I respect your views but i dont believe you can support any of your claims.
well…if you are athiest…thank god for that
I guess by reading the Bible does give you some more credit. But I personally perfer not to. 
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well…if you are athiest…thank god for that
lol cute.
Max, there’s no reason to fear the bible. It can’t hurt you.
Look at it this way. The bible could be true, in which case, it can’t hurt to at least take a look. It could be false, but if it is, then it’s a pretty well maintained reproduction of phylosophy that dates back into the stone age. If humans spent that long thinking about something, it’s probebly pretty important. When you read the bible as an Atheist or Agnostic, it can be very fun. Once all that guilt and sin stuff is no longer an influence upon you, you can have a lot of enjoyment reading the bible.
Then again, some people just don’t read. Some people only read sports rags, some people read US magazine. I find that sad
Personaly I feel that if you want to discuss big ideas, it behooves you to read other people’s big ideas or your thoughts do not contain very much validity to me. If you are one of these types of readers though, I think you’re very bright compared to the average. You could do a lot with your mind if you chose to focus it.
I will admit that I read about 90% fiction (bible included). Some comics, some graphic novels, many novels. Fiction though is not just stories that some guy made up. They contain lessons presented (if the author is good) in a light that the audience can relate to. Non-fiction doesn’t discribe lessons at all, just situations. So to a degree I have a lot of respect for fictional work and that my opinion on people not reading enough is a bias one because of my own love of the writen word.
It seems that some of you athiests are just deceiving yourselfs. Some of you just want to seem different. Some of you don’t know why you are athiest but you do not know what else to believe. Some of you are just to lazy to read the bible and take one hour out of their week to pray. Some of you are afraid of the truth. Some of you are to proud to submit yourself to a greater being. Some of you are just lost. And well for those who aren’t like this, keep reading…
In the end I don’t hate you, I’d die for you because I know you do not believe, and even though I’m a sinner, I know that I am attempting to please God. While you are neglecting and ignoring him, your chances of being in heaven are decreasing and your time is running out. You could die tommorrow, I would suggest giving Catholicism and Christianity a chance before you disagree with it.
Why Catholicism and Christianity then? Well here is some of that proof that you might have wanted then upaaut. It is not exactly proof, but just common sense. After you weigh these statements with whatever anyone of any other belief says, I think you will see who has the truth.
For one thing, Christians outnumber all other religious peoples as well as non-religious, with Catholics the most numerous Christians. Jesus’ have only survived for 2000 years and there are thousands who have died just to keep them alive. I do not think people would die for something they did not believe was true.
Also, Jubba says that “Religion and gods have always been a way to explain the unexplainable”. There is something you will understand someday and it is that Science is not the answer to everything. Science will NEVER full explain creation because it does signify an ultimate origin, which is God. Science can NEVER explain miracles such as the story of Our Lady of Guadaloupe (http://www.catholic.org/about/guadalupe.shtml). Science is a great tool but God is stronger, much stronger, and he can only explain everything. Whether you choose to believe me or not, you will eventually learn that I am not a false witness.
And also why Christianity over other faiths? Just look at our God, how many “gods” are admired in the image of a bloody death?
If also you think that the Catholics want your money, then your wrong. Maybe some do, but why would I be telling you this? I’m never going to meet any of you, I only want your eyes to be opened.
As for The Bible, no man, unless with the grace of God, could ever right a book so beatiful. You couldn’t write any fictional story and say it was as good as that, even if you died trying. That is because The Bible is Non-Fiction.
Bye!
Arg, I just spent 20min typing stuff out and went to a Page Not Found site. Arg, I’m summing it up.
Upuaut:
I actually have thought of reading the Bible for humor and giggles at one point in my life. I would consider reading it if my life wasn’t filled to the max. All my free time ends up on here. Plus, it’d be a hassel to get a Bible.
Where do one get a Bible? Bookstore? I’d have to buy a p*rn mag just to balance it out.
New & Old testimate? Too confusing.
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Saintdorothea:
You’re coming in from a theist point of view. Step into the bigger box for a moment and examine your religion and your beliefs and then come back and tell me what you think.
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Max, again, how old are you? You’re in high school. You do not have the scientific and theistic background to go around saying you’d read the bible for “humor and giggles”. Most of the brightest men in human history have been religious men, and yet you think you are intelligent enough that you know all the answers and can insult other’s beliefs without any backing.
Now, I respect people like Jubba and upuaut who have actually spent the time to look at some religions and then choose the religion they believe in. But I have no respect for arrogant people like you who don’t know anything about any religions and then go off insulting religions without any backing.
Although I don’t agree with saintdorothea’s approach of everybody should be catholic, you don’t have any right telling him/her to “step into the bigger box” when I don’t even see that you have. Until you’ve at least looked at two religions and then chosen to believe in one of them, you can’t insult other people’s religions.
saintdorothea ~
I have edited my own post out. I feel that it was far too insulting and I’m going to choose not to get into that fight with you. Let me just say mater of factly that you have insulted myself and probebly others with your post. I find it to be one of the most poorly constructed, and utterly meaningless posts I’ve seen on the subject of Christanity and it has no place or bearing in this forum. If you continue to use your Religion to insult other’s beliefs I will be forced to eject you from this forum. Consider yourself warned. If you can’t construct rational sentences then you should not post here in “Ordered”. We are all busy and have no time to read your ignorance.
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