If you want to get into the US, you should come through the “system” and any other way is unacceptable. I have no problem with people getting to the US “illegally” from their own country, as long as the illegality stops as soon as they hit the American border.
AKA: Get here however you want, that’s not our concern or problem. But once you’re here, you had better go through some sort of legalizing system (which is open to everyone but ensures that these people are accounted for) or you can go right back where you came from.
Also, I’d like to stress that free hand outs for the worlds population who get here is strongly discouraged. Let them get here, help them on their way to becoming productive citizens, and if they don’t want to do that, they can live behind a soup kitchen for all I care. Of course, I feel that way for everyone living in America, not just immigrants (see above post)
Uhh, Phil we where talking on when cubans are granted asylum.
But yes, America can do whats good for itself. We are discussing what is good for America, because alot of people have conflicting views for america.
In case of Mexicans.
Immigrating to the US is Extremly hard from mexico.
So what do the majority do? The cross the border illigaly and work under the table, causing problems for the State and the US loses alot of money that way.
My idea is:
Either lax the immigration laws for mexicans, (they will come illigaly anyway) or do something like they do with cuba, if you DO get past the border you can still apply for immigration right away. That way , we still control the immigration of the people, but we also make it better for the state.
*Originally posted by RussianBeer *
My idea is:
Either lax the immigration laws for mexicans, (they will come illigaly anyway) or do something like they do with cuba, if you DO get past the border you can still apply for immigration right away. That way , we still control the immigration of the people, but we also make it better for the state. **
Wait wait, I don’t think my point is understood. I’m am 100% for immigration. Let them come! BUT, how can we be responsible for people who technically don’t even exist? For example, that entire carwash scam. The exploitation breaks my heart. But what can we do about such abuses when these people purposely fall under the radar?
I have no problem with people getting here however they can or want. BUT, they need to register as American citizens, and that process needs to be open to everyone, in theory AND in practice.
Saying that, again, I would like to stress that those who choose not to go through the hypothetical “open to everyone” citizenship are breaking the law.
I’d agree to the open to everyone policy, as long as people can make a better living here, they will come. Closing the boarders and harsh regualtions only make it more dangerous/deadly for the people who come. It doesn’t change the fact that once they are here that they are unaccounted for.
I think too much emphasis is placed on “accounting for people.”
I think we need to be more concerned about housing people, not trying to tax them… If we enable the people to upgrade their status, then they will become a more productive portion of society… naturally…
“accounting for people” Is not that bad, by accounting for them , we know they will receive proper public services, they will work for enough wages, be treated fairly…etc, that is part of helping them raise in status.
I think too much emphasis is placed on “accounting for people.”
No, you are wrong. Why do abuses exist among alien populations? Because they are unaccounted for and the perpetrators can get away with it.
What’s the big problem with the concept of becoming a citizen and being “accounted” for like everyone else? I’m not saying: HEY THAR! Let’s go BRAND us some MEX-I-Cins YEEee-HA! I’m saying: get a SS card, pay your taxes, and vote like the rest of us. Congradulations and be proud.
I think we need to be more concerned about housing people, not trying to tax them… If we enable the people to upgrade their status, then they will become a more productive portion of society… naturally…
More concerned about HOUSING people? What people? The illegals who refuse to comply with the system? What you are saying is we should reward those who undermine the system that they expect to protect them. Please.
“Enabling” is not “handing sacks of money to people who don’t have it.” I am very pro education (or more accurately, pro better education). That’s helping people help themselves. Same thing with limited welfare, entrepreneur grants, and urban development projects.
“Help” isn’t: “oh, you don’t have a house? let me build you a crappy one in the slums for you to live in for virtually free so you don’t have to bother yourself with such inconviencances. By the way, we hope you aspire to great things. Here’s a free sack of money. We know we can trust you spend it wisely! And if you don’t, there’s another sack of money for you next month.”
do you even know how hard it is to immigrate to the united states? it’s not as easy as it once was.
now, to legally move to the U.S, you either have to have a close relative (mom, dad, brother/sister who are already citizens) to get a green card, or you have to have refugee status. that’s it. no other way.
it’s so easy for you to say “tell them they can apply phor citizenship in their country of origin” when you live here in good living conditions and don’t even know what it’s like to live in a poor country.
*Originally posted by Phil Jayhan *
**RB,
I disagree; Thats whats happening now and thats why they are called illegal aliens; :sigh:
Im a hard case; close the borders, ship all illegals out, and tell them they can apply phor citizenship in their country of origin;
While Phil does hold a good point that Keeping alot of immigrants from entering the country is good for some americans, I do not think its right, because those americans where once immigrants too, keeping the rest out is very hipocritical.
Continuing along Russian’s line of logic, the people who don’t want immigrants are typically the people who don’t want the competition for their jobs or reduced wages because these “foreigners” will work for less. While these may be short term effects, competition breeds better workers and more people = more consumers/ market = more jobs. Besides, what’s so great about random true born American that gives him/her more right to any job over any random immigrant?
While I’m ranting, I’d also like to personally kick every American in the face that recieves subsidecies not to grow something or to keep growing something. Bastards. Sometimes I wish I could insert little strips of plastic explosives in my tax dollars. Hand my money to someone to artifically eliminate competition and keep prices high? EXPLODE
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