Israeli military just keeps killing

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Hey everyone. I am posting this because I am just reminding everyone how corrupt the Israeli Military is. They have constantly bulldozed houses, killed innocent civilians, killed protestors, even killed UN officials. I will give you the link later, that’s if Kirupa is okay with “copying and pasting”. They are still occupying Palestine and doing some nasty things there. Occupation is never a good thing. No matter what. Even the dogs go insane from the gun fire. You never know when Israeli Military kills a peace activist.

Here’s the one regarding the UN…

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/un-petition.htm

Comments are greatly appreciated…
Except from Kirupa.

Just kidding!! :slight_smile:

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OMG. they wouldn’t stop
i am palestinian and it really hurts me just reading this stuff and i cant do anything. phil i wouldn’t call those evil things. i would call this as defending them selves. what do you expect from people who see thier freinds and family die and get crushed by beldozers. so i wouldn’t say that is evil. i would say that is heroic. dont get me wrong but i think you know what i mean. if i was there i would have done the same thing. i know it takes really courage and faith but i know that is right cuz i am fighting a country what i call terrosist country even tho they bring it in a very smart way. i think you saw what happend at jineen. phil i like you cuz your the only one i saw that understands our point of view. so plz dont call it evil cuz that really hurts me and it offends me. now when you say israely civilians are innocent i dont agree at all. if they are innocent then what are we. tell me one way that palestinians can defend them selves other than this way. when i get the canadain passport i hope fully will go there and see the whole picture. i saw most of it. there is only one thing i havent seen of that picture. part of that picture that i need to see is actually the reall experience. my heart and my soul is still there and my consicence is hurting me so mush cuz i am sitting at home just looking at them die one after the other. i am not attacking you phil but i am telling you how i feel when something like this happens and when someone say that we are evil or terrorist. n e ways in first place who invaded the other. it is not like we attacked their homes for no reason. one thing that makes me see a better picture than anyone else in this forum is that my grandfather saw the whole thing in front of his eyez. i dont mind ANYONE live with us but i really really mind someone try take over our HOLLY land. after all that i would mind one type of poeple to live with us becuase they cant be trusted and those people are israely poeple. i say that with all meaning … i dont know how to explain my feeling but i feel very bad about it. one day i hope i will write the whole story from 1400 years ago until now. i know it all. when i do i will post it for people to read it. so i dont anyone flamming on me but if you do i am more tha ready to reply back and prove my point.

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yeah…

Israeli settlers and kids owning guns and weapons to assault palestinians aren’t exactly ‘civilians’. They’re colonists. Enough said.

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I wish one day someone will find a solution excluding a bloodbath to this centuries-long conflict…
It is quite hard to manage Jews, Muslims and (i think) Christians altogether in the same country. Jerusalem for instance is a holly city for ALL religion, but everybody is tearing it apart because they claim the land. It’s a sad thing that fuels my hate for religions…

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Israel Citezens are innocent, its their home now… they arent going to leave.
There is nothing to justify bombings of civilian buses, market places and other places. If your family has been killed by soldeirs it dosent give you the right to kill other people. I don’t want to offend anyone but I do find it evil. I am not saying palestinians are evil, not at all , I am in favor of a palestenian state. But Israel is not going to disapear, and the jews are not going to leave. And I dont agree witht he way israel has been handaling the situation, I understand them, but I dont agree with it. Even as I understand Americas war in Iraq, I still dont agree with it.

And those sources, while I am not saying they are wrong, they are bious.
Peace…

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*Originally posted by RussianBeer *
**Israel Citezens are innocent, its their home now…

If your family has been killed by soldeirs it dosent give you the right to kill other people
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it is not and it will never be.

jeruselem is a holy land for every religion (just like milkdesign said). but the jews claim that they are the chosen ppl and this is their promise land. actually it is but they dont complete the whole story. when god promised them to have a land of thier own he told them to go and fight the ppl in jerusalem. the ppl their were the from tribe called imad. they were strong. so the jews told moses go you and your followers and fight them on your own. so god got really mad and he told moses to tell them that they will never have a land of their own. so they got lost all over the world. and then this land was to every religion ever since except the jews. they can live in it but they cant make it as a jewish country.

i wanna ask you does it give them the right to kill us and we dont defend our selves. see how ignorant ppl like you and unfiar. maybe it is not your fault. i know your brainwashed. well thanx for your oppinoin. thanx for your insult. i expected everything except that ppl tell me that it is not out right to fight for our country. well… one day we will win and show you how the true peace is done. you know what. in the future the yellow ppl (the chines and those countries) will be the super powers then it will be our turn and when we be the super powers i know that everybody will be fiarly treated and evey country will do what they want but we will make sure it is always fiar.

i cant stand racist people so good bye
i am leaving this forum.

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*Originally posted by mlkdesign *
**I wish one day someone will find a solution excluding a bloodbath to this centuries-long conflict…
It is quite hard to manage Jews, Muslims and (i think) Christians altogether in the same country. Jerusalem for instance is a holly city for ALL religion, but everybody is tearing it apart because they claim the land. It’s a sad thing that fuels my hate for religions… **

well it is not hard to keep christains and muslims but it is hard and maybe impossible to keep muslims and jews. we did not do it this way. the jews choose to destroy the peace we where living in.

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the jews choose to destroy the peace we where living in.

then again, i could put forward some arguments against that:

  • the jews have never had a homeland and always been persecuted starting with the diaspora not much later after jesus’s death
  • same thing during all these years were they werent able to settle…
  • it continued during the holocaust of WWII and still today…

Then again im not saying they are innocent, but you’ve got to take into account their history…

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First of all, dont label me, I don’t label you, I would like to have the same respect.
I stated that suicide bombings are evil and this is my opinion, which I have the right too! I am just being honest, don’t start telling me, who I am!

Second of all, I it is their home, I agree that their country should be open to all, and none should be discriminated against , if they are not jewish. Hear me out, At first I didn’t think it was their home, but when I saw how they fought and died for their land in 1947, and during the six day war, and so on. I knew it became their home. Even how they treat other people is wrong and unfair, it is their home now. And it should be free for other people to live in Israel without being treated as a slave or subhuman.

I agree you have the right to defend yourself, against the military who attacks you, but you cant win your land by bombing civilian targets. And when palestenians start using violence against the civilians it dosent solve anything! Nothing at all! It just fuels anger back at them! It solves no social problem and creates more complicated ones!

Remember .“An eye for an eye, leaves everybody blind.” Martin Luther King, Jr.

Most jews are in favor of a palestenian nation, now, by attacking them, you humiliate them and anger them, you cant win their understanding with violence. Violence becomes bitterness, and is transformed to more violence, its a vicious sicle of self distruction.By using violence you become just as bad as the Israel Military! You must fight the oppression not the oppressors!

But I disagree with you that muslims, jews and chrictians can’t live together. You live in canada, I lived in canada for 10 years, I had Jewish, Muslim, christian, Hindu , Catholic and protestant freinds, and we all got along just fine. We had no unrest or problems. Our parents, of an older generations where not as good to get along, some still did. So there, it IS possible and we and we have no choice but to get along, the world is getting smaller and smaller. If we don’t we will only distroy ourselves, and blood, hatred and distruction will reign on us forever.

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*Originally posted by RussianBeer *
And when palestenians start using violence against the civilians it dosent solve anything!

But who is it the the Israeli armies are attacking?

It’s freakin arab civilians. There isn’t even a palestinian army. No, we’re not supported by the states.

Smarten up.

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Thats why I said the become as bad as the israel’s army!
Because isreal isnt doing anything good either!!! They are also creating more porblems, they anger people and they anger the world, thats why I don’t support them! But any civilian who picks up a weapon and uses it becomes a militat.

I am trying to say is: NO violence in the isreal-palestine conflict is justified! It solves NOTHING!

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I agree. It’s as simple as that, but neither sides wants to stop. Thats why debates like these are pointless. :slight_smile:

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Its not pointless, at least we agree! =)

Yeah, I am just trying to make my point to show that violence is bad from both sides.

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=)

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Another good solution would be to blow up everything. No more jealousy, and the kingdom of animals would prevail on the human one…

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agree again!

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mlk… I know what you’re saying. If the end result of this planet is that humanity is dead and some other speicies takes over as dominant… I wont shed a tear.

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i had enough of palestinian propaganda!.

palestinians live in misery because they are used to that. they are poor because they are not able to do anything to bring them money.

noone is to blame 4 their situation but themselves.

they are the first to declare war on israel in 1948. they now are having the consequences of their policy.

arafat had an oportunity to build a state… but why instead of building schools he was importing ammo from iran? to build “security for israel”?

every 1 knows that jesus was in palestine’s capital jerusalem, and that palestine was jewish, as the “lord of the jews” himself…
i wonder how come palestinians can claim jerusalem when the whole world knows jesus was not palestinian but rather jewish…

about the “destroying of homes” part…noone mentions that from these homes come the terrorists that blow up buses… it seems that even animals love life. if these killers do not think their life is precious it means they don’t need a home…

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I think it would be pointless for me to reply to such an ignorant post. So jesus now is jewish… :-\

But oh well, you are Israeli, you’re opinion is meant to be biased… :sigh:

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According to legend Jesus was jewish. He was “King of the Jews”.