what’s the definition of terrorism? Can you apply terrorism as we see it now to the 7th century, when the Quran was written? Does it apply to the 2000-year old Bible that we know of? Can you legitimate actions taken now from a book written centuries ago (be it the bible, the quran or the torah -or else…) ?
Now, yeah, I agree, sunday school is EVIL.
Basically what SlowRoasted said. I find it amazing that one would say Sunday School is evil :lol:
Now, yeah, I agree, sunday school is EVIL.
Man dont just say something like that, give us some reasons why you think that way. We are having a discussion here.
Man dont just say something like that, give us some reasons why you think that way. We are having a discussion here.
ok, next time, I’ll put a smiley to show I’m being ironical. The root of my post was in the paragraph above…where I was trying to answer your primary question (“is terrorism justified in muslim law?”) with another bout of questions… I wouldn’t give a crapolla about sunday school, catechism, mass, since it has nothing to do with the thread(–> see gp, I’m learning… 
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yeah that would have been funny if i knew you were joking lol:p
Thats what I dont understand. In their law, you cant kill other people and do acts of terroism. They call it a holy war because usa invaded their land. Then they go do sucide bombing and some parents are sad and some others are proud of it. What I dont like is how a large number are uneducated about the situation of war .
Suicide bombings and attacks like those of september 11th are two different things. Airplane hijackers are terrorists, suicide-bombers in such places as Iraq and Palestine are not.
Suicide Bombers are not terrorists? I’d say they are, it might just depend on your point of view…
In the 40s in France, the Germans called “Terrorists” any and all against the Nazi regime that took up arms in the countryside and stuff. Those same were called “Resistants” by others. So, are they terrorists, , or resistants? Are they both? Does it depend on the justification of your cause and how one looks at it?
Just another brick in the pond…
Point of views are a factor, but it depends more on the location. I hate how the term Terrorist has gone so mainstream for any Arabic militia. What I’m saying is, when US Forces go into Iraq, and Israeli forces go and occupy palestinian lands, you get local resistance movements that want nothing but to free their own land, and then you get the media referring to them as terrorists. How exactly are they terrorizing the land, I just dont get it…
well, when you have a suicide bomber that goes up to Tel Aviv and blows himself up in a bus, he’s not freeing his land, he’s in Israel. That’s unless you consider Israel to be illegitimate as a whole? Isn’t it terrorizing people to have them afraid to take the bus? I know I was scared ****less whenever I took the bus (though it didn’t repell me enough NOT to take the bus…) from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Same goes with Iraq. Is it under invasion or does it have a state legitimacy as a whole, even with GIs all over the place?
But I have to agree that “terrorism” is not being rationalized by the media (and US govt. in part) and has gone way too mainstream to define Arabic militia (fun to see that only arabs are terrorists…)
[edit: another typo bites the dust…]
You do have a point, but I sort of see that as fighting for a good cause rather that terrorizing, but eh, I guess it’s more about point of views as you said, being a palestinian myself…
i have to agree with pomme on this one. If they were really militia and not terrorist they wouldnt be attacking civilian targets. blowing up cars and buses is only trying to scare people out of “their land.”
yeah that media is kinda sad sometimes. there are many other european countries that have a lot of terrorist, like italy, ireland, etc.
let them fight for a good cause, just dont go killing civilians on purpose. I know civilian casualties happen in wars, but dont go making civilian targets.
Fair enough, I think I agree on that point, BUT I can still understand why palestinian militia’s wouldn’t think the same way you and I do, and why would they set such targets.
this is exactlly what I was saying, it all depends on your point of view…
sort of who is “telling the story”…
Palestinians are called terrorists, but they (Palestinians) see it as resisting an occupying force… which they are…
dont they believe that blowing themselves up is the ultimate way to die? can you explain that to me ahmed and why they think that way?
you are one of my Favorites… 
I ain’t too old to learn either…
dont they believe that blowing themselves up is the ultimate way to die? can you explain that to me ahmed and why they think that way?
I guess it is a part brainwashing as well, in WWII the “Divine Wind” ultimately lead to the Japanese flying their aircraft into American Ships…
our culture say this is madness but for the Japanese, this was very Honorable,
(seems suicide in their culture is/was prevelent… eg: the Samurai.)
Although IMO, I wouldn’t put the Palestinians in the same Terrorist boat with al-queada…
but that is just me… I think of the Palestinians much the same way as the Native Americans being forced to live on Reservations…
but that is just me
gp
Islam outlaws suicide. On the other hand, dying in the cause of defending land or religion is honourable. Suicide bombers tend to interpret these two rules as that killing ones self in a such fashion to defend the land is honourable too, and that really is arguable 
Is Terrorism Justified in Muslim Law? its arguable, different interpritations of the Qur’an, different viewpoints from different regions of the Arab world, how pissed off you are and how much better that sounds on the news than trying to see someone defending their homeland, how one might be told it is an honerable deed…even though it might not be.
there are a lot of pending situations that can twist from an outside view on religion or a region. I grew up in the Middle East though, and other than argueing over soccer, I dont know any violent natured Arabs, or any that thing blowing something up will open a doorway to heaven. Its all a misinterperation that can be argued in so many ways it hurts my head.
so…my standpoint…no
arguing over soccer… haha, it does get intense 
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