Yep, we all got back to the same point,
Its not justified, but leadership can manipulate it, like anything else.
yeah thats a good final statement russian;)
it is not whether it is justified in muslim law, it is whether it is acceptible in a global community. muslims, christians, buddhists, hindus… we have to deal with eachother. we cannot live secluded and hold others to our own guidlines so the path of least infringment would seem to be the best (NOT KILLING EACHOTHER BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS IT"S JUSTIFIED).
ill make a deal with everyone… you don’t kill me, i wont come back from the dead and haunt your a $ s till you die of wanking off because the girls are afraid of the **** ghost thats pissed at you! :p:
There will never be one religion, there will always be fighting and controversy about religions. I stand firm in my beliefs so I am happy, and thankfully my religion doesn’t say that honor is going into a crowd of people and blowing myself up along with those said innocent people.
Ahh, but that depends who says it. (im going to assume you are christian) Because there are christians militants that kill inoccent muslims in indonesia and malaysia, and their christian leaders over there call those cowards heroes.
hey russian it’s not as simple as that… where did you get that ifnormation from?
There will never be one religion
Thats right, because one day… “Poof”
like magic the world wakes up and comes to terms with the fact that their is no God.
and all religion goes out the door.
Islam has nothing to do with Terrorism, the name Islam it self means peace, Alqaeda are terrorists not islamic-terrorists(the term doesn’t exist). IMO the army and the army leaders of Israel(please notice the wording) are terrorising the nation of palestine Sucide-bombing(though i don’t like the idea) is a way to keep telling the Israeli army if you don’t stop killing our people and invading our lands, we won’t stop fighting.
Islam has nothing to do with Terrorism, the name Islam it self means peace, Alqaeda are terrorists not islamic-terrorists(the term doesn’t exist). IMO the army and the army leaders of Israel(please notice the wording) are terrorising the nation of palestine Sucide-bombing is a way to keep telling the Israeli army if you don’t stop killing our people and invading our lands, we won’t stop fighting.
"there will never be one religion"
Islam never changed since it first existed. The Quran never changed since it was made. just making a point.
hey russian it’s not as simple as that… where did you get that ifnormation from?
Whats not as simple?
Well nothing is simple, I don’t understand what you mean. I read about the conflict following the One-day in War article on BBC. Its a pretty well known conflict, there is always fight errupting all over there. And the conflicting is spreading to the borders of Thailand.
like magic the world wakes up and comes to terms with the fact that their is no God.
and all religion goes out the door.
Do you really beleive that? I mean, even as an athiest! People always worshiped something, do you really beleive that people will completle stop worshiping one day?
yes there are christian militants, but they don’t actually represent christian in indonesia.
we christians in Indo are basically harmless, we couldn’t defend our own rights. sh*t happens we sit and do nothing… why… because well we couldn’t.
it’s difficult to explain, it’s a long history.
to reading more about islam and Quran
maybe you should look at these quotes you got from a whole different perspective. the word “fight” can also be referred to as verbal fight or commonly known as a debate.
while i was on my vacation in dubai i have met a lot of interesting people with different view on terrorism and osama bin laden and saddam hussein. one of Muslims himself said “the problem with islam today is that it’s not creating leaders who can take the highest positions.”…i somewhat sure by what he meant but many others had the same idea.
going back to the quotes, i would say that if you take sentences like those out of context they will completely oppose the original thing
i am a muslim myself and i dont want you people to take this wrong but there are people out there from other religions that make change the translations of the quran and sell them.
{note to slowroasted} i would really like to know where youo got those quote eg which book or which site
from my understanding, all religions seek to spread their word throughout the world…fair enough…
except the islamic scripts, as shown, can be misleading in how that should be done… espcially to uneducated people in islamic states
All religions can be misleading, as shown in every religious writing!
espcially to uneducated people in islamic states
Why especially in islamic states? Religion can be misleading to any uneducated person, anywhere in the world.
yes it can be misleading to anyone, but especially misleading to those who hardly leave the four walls of their home… i.e. women under the taliban in afghanistan
freedom of speech gives us a more educated viewpoint.
now i might sound as if i am taking sides. but look at every religion out there, does any one them try to spread their religion based on proof. i am quite certain most of us always ponder upon their religion thinking if it really is the right path he is taking. then you go out there and research for proof. but u find very little. on the other hand if you look at islam you see that there is enough proof for convert. but you know why they dont convert. its because of their parents.
Those quotes do exsist and God is telling Muslims to fight agaisnt the oppressors and occupiers, you must not pick out verses, you must read the whole Surah ( a series of verses ) to understand the verses.
You might think, Islam is supposed to be a religion of peace, but then it has many verses that talk about fighting, well yes, Islam is a religion and it states the rules which Muslims have to follow when having a war, look at the Wars that the U.S had, most had cases of rape and war crimes, since Islam covers prohibits that, it is rare to see cases of rape and war crimes done by Muslims in Wars.
Suicide bombing by Palestinians is done out of desperation, oppression, and the lack of wanting to live, all caused by Israel. Civilians do get killed on both sides, targeted on both sides, but this world isn’t perfect and we should see the deaths of innocent civilians as consequences of oppression, occupation, and war.
Quranic verses
Those verses do exist and they are telling Muslims to fight, however, they are telling Muslims how to fight in a war agaisnt the oppressors and the occupiers, for example :
2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
2:191 But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:193 And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah. but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
Notice Islam’s strong stance agaisnt oppression.
Many might say, if Islam is a religion of peace, then why does it talk about fighting, well not only is Islam a religion, but its a way of life, everything you do must be according to Islam, so Islam must cover wars. If you take a look at the wars that the U.S had, some have cases of war crimes such as rape and targeting of civilians, well Islam prohibits that, so it is rare to see Muslims committing war crimes when they are at war.
Palestine
Suicide bombing by the Palestinians is a very hard to judge, one must remember that the Palestinians are very oppressed and their land is being occupied, remember that there is a huge amount of desperation and the lack of living exists, remember that there has been conflict for over 50 years.
It in no way justifies the deaths of the innocent people, but it should be expected from the Palestinians, and if you are going to critize them for doing it, then you must critize Israel for causing it.
Suicide bombing is one of the consequences of occupation and oppression.
Beslan School massacre
This would have brought the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) to tears. This was in no way done by Muslims, it was done by “fake-Muslims”. When i heard about the kids being killed, raped, and having their eyes cut out, i said to myself, there is no way in hell that the hostake-takers were Muslim, only those who claims to be Muslim but are really not. I hope God gives the hostage-takers the worst hell fire that there can be.
PEACE
- Sluger
