Is Terrorism Justified in Muslim Law?

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I was always disturbed by the lack of reaction and seeming indifference from Muslilms world-wide after september 11. I don’t recall seeing any Muslim religious/political leaders making statements.

I don’t remember hearing anything from them after the russian school hostage event either.

It seems to suggest a mindset in which the killing of innocent, non-combatant people is acceptable.

I’m all for making an effort to understand different cultures and for allowing people to have their own beliefs.

I definitely have a problem with any belief system which supports killing innocent people and children as a means to ANY end. Anyone who thinks that there is anything admirable about strapping explosives to your body and detonating them around innocent people is delusional and out of their mind.

As to comparing religions, there have been people who claim to be part of a religion commiting atrocities that are contradictory to their religion for centuries and that is nothing new. We need to judge people by their actions and not by who they claim to be with their mouths or political ideologies.

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Arab/Muslim reaction to 9/11

http://islam.about.com/cs/currentevents/a/9_11statements.htm ( this link has even MORE info when you navigate )

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

Arab/Muslim reaction to the Beslan school massacre

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-09-04-mideast-school-siege_x.htm

Islam condems the killing of innocent people

[color=black][Noble Verse 5:32][/color][color=#ff0000] “…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people…”[/color] In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty honors all the innocent souls that He created. Killing any innocent soul is so hated by Allah Almighty that He considers it as a crime against all of Mankind.

[color=black][[/color][color=black]Noble Verse 25:68][/color][color=#ff0000] “Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.”[/color] In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty considers the innocent soul “sacred”. He will punish those who kill the innocent souls (by throwing them in hell).

[Noble Verse 18:74] [color=red]"Then they proceeded: until, when they met a young man, he slew him. Moses said: “Hast thou slain an innocent person who had slain none? Truly a foul (unheard of) thing hast thou done!” [/color][color=black]In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Prophet Moses, one of Allah’s messengers dissents the killing of innocent souls.[/color]

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how then do radical muslim extremists get away with claiming to be muslim if their actions are so in opposition to the teachings of the Quran?

how do palestinian parents sit by and let a culture of youth suicide flourish where young children think it’s honorable to blow themselves up for a political ideal?

I’m genuine in my desire to understand, not trying to be argumentative (as it probably seems). It’s frustrating to try to understand.

If this is such a small percentage of muslims, then why has it (terrorism) become so prevalent in muslim countries. The author of that first article said it himself

Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote Saturday

Also, aren’t the Muslim religious leaders very powerful in Islam? And doesn’t the muslim hold him/herself to strictly following Islamic law? Then how are these peaceful Islamic leaders powerless to stop their religion from being highjacked by extremists?

As an outsider there definitely seems to be more bad coming from Islam than good in today’s world (beheadings, bombings, rape, murder, suicide) than good. Are there any Muslim charities or organizations that are committed to helping non-arabs? or for that matter aren’t giving all of their money to extremist groups?

The Muslim global community needs to speak up LOUDLY if they want to be seen in a different light. It’s not enough to condemn the extremists as non muslim and then not to do anything when they are your own countrymen and neighbors.

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Radical Muslim extremists

What can we Muslims do to stop them? We can’t do ****, they don’t know the Islamic teachings, they think they know, they are actually betraying God and the Prophet Mohammad (saw) by targeting innocent people.

Palestinian parents

You need to understand that 50+ years of oppression and 30+ years of occupation isn’t a good thing for the Palestinians, you cannot expect them to live their daily lives like normal people.

Anyways, the use of children is very rare in Palestine, all you see is the Palestinian children dressed as militants, holding guns in demonstraitons, and some are even trained to protect their families and resist the occupation by going to a camp. ( they aren’t taught to go into Israel and kill the innocent people there )

If this is such a small percentage of muslims, then why has it (terrorism) become so prevalent in muslim countries. The author of that first article said it himself

Well, people see things differently, you see suicide bombings as terrorism while many Muslims don’t. Sometimes, we can agree on what is terrorism and is not, like the Beslan school siege, that is terrorism. Muslims being the main perpetrators of terrorism is only an opinion and not a fact.

Also, aren’t the Muslim religious leaders very powerful in Islam? And doesn’t the muslim hold him/herself to strictly following Islamic law? Then how are these peaceful Islamic leaders powerless to stop their religion from being highjacked by extremists?

Well, you have to think about why these people are doing such things, the Muslim leaders don’t think how the westeners think, remember, millions of Muslims are suffering because of the west including Israel.

Are there any Muslim charities or organizations that are committed to helping non-arabs? or for that matter aren’t giving all of their money to extremist groups?

I don’t know…

The Muslim global community needs to speak up LOUDLY if they want to be seen in a different light. It’s not enough to condemn the extremists as non muslim and then not to do anything when they are your own countrymen and neighbors.

No we don’t, we don’t have any control over these guys.

These guys are given the Islamic teachings, wether they chose to follow it or not, is not our business, they should be held accountable for their actions and not the whole Islamic world.

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terrorism- the systematic use of terror
terrorize - to coerce by threat or violence
(webster’s dictionary of the english language)

Well, people see things differently, you see suicide bombings as terrorism while many Muslims don’t.

Yes, people see things differently. But, when I encounter a belief system where the killing of innocent people is accepted as a means to an end I have no choice but to deny it’s validitiy and to question the sanity of those who utilize it. I have no choice in that respect.

Well, you have to think about why these people are doing such things, the Muslim leaders don’t think how the westeners think, remember, millions of Muslims are suffering because of the west including Israel.

There is no justifiable reason to strap on explosives and target civilians. Therefore I do not have to think about why these people are doing such things. There is no excuse for such evil acts. Thinking about why such things are done will not bring back the innocent victims and is pointless.

Drawing a distinction between middle eastern and western ways of thinking is pointless as well when it comes to the subject of murdering people. All people regardless of what religion they practice have the right to live. Any system of belief where this ideal is negated or temporarily suspended for any circumstance is not acceptable if we are all to get along on this planet. I think most of the world would agree on this point.

Muslims being the main perpetrators of terrorism is only an opinion and not a fact.

maybe “people claiming to be Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorsim” is a fair statement then.

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For your statement, no, many including me see the West and Israel as the main perpetrators of terrorism.

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Yes, people see things differently. But, when I encounter a belief system where the killing of innocent people is accepted as a means to an end I have no choice but to deny it’s validitiy and to question the sanity of those who utilize it. I have no choice in that respect.

Well, in Islam, killing innocent people is unacceptable.

There is no justifiable reason to strap on explosives and target civilians. Therefore I do not have to think about why these people are doing such things. There is no excuse for such evil acts. Thinking about why such things are done will not bring back the innocent victims and is pointless.

Drawing a distinction between middle eastern and western ways of thinking is pointless as well when it comes to the subject of murdering people. All people regardless of what religion they practice have the right to live. Any system of belief where this ideal is negated or temporarily suspended for any circumstance is not acceptable if we are all to get along on this planet. I think most of the world would agree on this point.

Nope there isn’t a justification, however, you must think why they are doing these things, so you oppose what makes them do these things, for example :

Palestinians are going into Israeli places and blowing themselvs up, then you see why they are doing it, you find out whatever the reason might be, Israeli oppression and occupation is the common reason, and now you must oppose it, and understand why these men and women are doing such a thing.

Your not supporting it or justifying it, your understanding it.

Why don’t you hear Muslims condeming the suicide bombings, while some justify it, most Muslims are aware that the Israeli oppression and occupation is what makes the Palestinians do it, they aren’t going to be inhumane and put 100% blame on the Palestinians like many westeners do.

maybe “people claiming to be Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorsim” is a fair statement then.

That could be true, to some it could be not.

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Why don’t you hear Muslims condeming the suicide bombings, while some justify it, most Muslims are aware that the Israeli oppression and occupation is what makes the Palestinians do it, they aren’t going to be inhumane and put 100% blame on the Palestinians like many westeners do.
See to me this is crap. There is no justification for attcking civillians because you oppose a government! Not ever! I put 100% blame on Palestine for sactioning the targeting of civillians. Regardless of who did what to them. No “understanding” of another culture will ever change that.

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It is not justification, if your going to oppose suicide bombing, then oppose Israel for causing it to happen, there wouldn’t be suicide bombings if Israel didn’t oppress the Palestinians and occupy their land.

Whever there is occupation, there will be resistance.

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no, that is crap. You cannot blame anyone for targeting civillians execpt those that target civillians. resistance and terrorisim are NOT the same thing.

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Fine, i guess you wont oppose the cause.

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I absolutly oppose the cause. I think if Palestine would elect a Prime Minister with real power that that person could negotiate peace and create a Palestinian state. The problem right now is the only person with power (Arifat) is a terrorist. If they ever hope to “stop” the occupation they must come looking for peace, not blowing up civillians…

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You oppose the cause? Then why put 100% blame on Palestinians? Oppression and Occupation is the cause and suicide bombing is the effect.

But i will, because im human, and understand that oppression and occupation make people do things that they shouldn’t.

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You oppose the cause? Then why put 100% blame on Palestinians? Oppression and Occupation is the cause and suicide bombing is the effect.

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Nothing justifies trageting civillians. Nothing justifies a person strapping bombs to herself, then standing right next to a baby carriage and exploding. Nothing justifies killing hundeds of school kids in a place they should feel safe. Nothing justifies running planes into occupied buildings. No oppression no occupation. I think what you are saying is dangerous. I think that thinking like yours emboldens these people to do this because they see that people are taking notice of their side.

Let me give an analogy. I have 3 young children. When they don’t get their way, sometimes they whine and throw a fit. Now, when I say no you cannot have candy and they throw a fit and then I say “well ok here is some candy” what do you think will happen next time I say no? They will throw a fit, probably a little bigger each time. Where as if I always stick to my guns when they throw a fit, they will learn that doing that is usless and actually make them get less in their favor because it makes me mad.

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No, I think you are wrong. The cause of suicide/homicide bombings is people putting bombs around their waists and blowing them up. Nothing more, nothing less. Again, NOTHING justifies targeting civillians. YOu do not blow up innocent people because a government is “oppressing” you.

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Good to see you around Blind…

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No, I think you are wrong. The cause of suicide/homicide bombings is people putting bombs around their waists and blowing them up. Nothing more, nothing less. Again, NOTHING justifies targeting civillians. YOu do not blow up innocent people because a government is “oppressing” you.

While I do condemn suicide bombings, what in mars are they supposed to do to oppose Israel? Go out and protest? Sure… give me a break, Israel doesn’t care about protests. Are they supposed to accept the wall/barrier/security fence (take your pick) without saying a word? Are they supposed to accept new colonies? Haaaa, geopolitics in the middle-east is so much fun.

The analogy with your kids and candies is nice, but you do give them candies sometimes, right? I don’t see Israel doing anything purposefully good for Palestine… ever.

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I whole heartedly agree with you Blind, but this is not a question of moral right and wrong. I am sure that no person in their right mind loves to strap twenty pounds of TNT on themseleves and walk in to a restaurant.

But the people who do that are not in their right minds, when an artillery strike levels your house and kills you’re kids, justification flies right out the window, no one cares if it was an accident, you think the father will care that they wheren’t really trying to kill his family, at that point it dosent matter.

And what of the orphans, the fatherless orphans who grow up tought by freaking terrorists. Its not what is right or wrong, because to us its apperant, to them it’s not. A

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The Scripture is Nothing worse then what Us Catholics done in the 1700 during the Spanish Inquisition. at least these Terrorist cut their heads of and get it over with, Catholic Extremists Tortured Hundreds of Jewish People into Catholisim without any Warning. And if they Didn’t Convert, they died in the torture.