Is Terrorism Justified in Muslim Law?

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I think we all know why they are doing it. We all know that the Palestinians are being brainwashed by thugs using Islam to control them into killing themselves and as many innocent civillians as possible. These are not just Palenstians feeling suppresed by Israel, they are being funded and supported by Syria and Iran. I know it seems convient to say that Israel is the cause of Israelis being murdered, but again the only cause of that are Palestinians stapping bombs to themselves and blowing up. There is no reason or justification execpt for barbarisim.

Yes and No, you are oversimplifing it. Its not like the palestinians where nice and happy until a couple of Syrian and Iranian joes wandered in and convinced hundreds of people to wage a war against israel.

Syrian, Iranian and Saudi’s are just taking advantage of what is there, fundamentalism and hate can only come to such proportion if the conditions are right, and when a whole nation is being debased its perfect for it. So where does the blame lies? EVERYWHERE!

When are people going to realise there is MORE than enough blame to go around!?

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I am not saying that Israel is perfect and that the Palestinians just decide one day that they were going to blow up civillians. I am saying that nothing Israel does short of mass sucide of all Israelis will stop the suicide bombings. Now with that said, I do simpathise with the Palestinians and think Israel should do more to help create a Palestinian state. I would take no side if Palestine fought a real war with Israel. I think a real war doen’t even have to be head to head, but entails guerilla warfare and sabotage. My problem is that once you stop fighting a government and start murdering people that your case can no longer be heard. I cannot sympathize with people that have no regaurd for human life. Like in Chechneya. I wouldn’t want to live under Russian rule, but now that they are blowing up children, I have to side with Russia…

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That is wrong on many counts,

  1. There is no proof whatsoever that these men and women are being brainwashed, resistance is something that everyone does.

  2. I have already proven that Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, and no where in the Quran does it tell Muslims to blow up themselves killing others.

  3. There are also Christian Palestinians who are militants, for example :

George Habash, who is a Greek Orthodox, founded [color=black]The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP).[/color]

Naif Hawatmeh, also Greek Orthodox, from al-Salt in Jordan, founded and still today heads up the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

Rami Fadayel, who is a Christian, was active in organizing in the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine 96-99 (when he was 16-19).

And theres more, Resistance to the occupation and attacking Israel is not a Muslim thing.

The rest if just crap, stop humiliating yourself. :slight_smile:

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  1. There is no proof whatsoever that these men and women are being brainwashed, resistance is something that everyone does.
  1. I have already proven that Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, and no where in the Quran does it tell Muslims to blow up themselves killing others.
    Then these 2 seem to contradict themselves. If they are not brainwashed to kill in the name of Allah, then why do they do it…because thughs have hijacked their religeon and brainwashed them that that is what the Koran says.

Are the Christians suicide bombers? And, are there any Jewish Palestinian “militants”?

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Yeah, I have to agree with Blind, what non-brainwashed kid straps 10 pounds of TNT on his chest?

Brainwashing can be used with any relgion, there is Christian Fundamentalist in Indonesia who are just as bad, and there are Jewish terroirst too, but not as much, as its too hard to have an organized militiant force in a State as small as Israel and as tightly controled as israel.

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I see no contradiction, THEY ARE NOT KILLING IN THE NAME OF GOD, as you can see, Israel is occupying their land and building settlements in them, what do you expect the Palestinians to do? Sit and watch as their land is being taken away? And when they dare to resist, you come here and say that they are attacking Israel in the name of God!?

Targeting civilians is a part of their resistance like or not, theres nothing i could do about it and i wished they didn’t target civilians.

And quit the brainwashed crap, you know damm right that its coming out of your ***.

Christian suicide bombers? Don’t know, Jewish Palestinian militants, don’t know.

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These children live in a place where violence is a common and death is no surprise, they become involved by trying to resist the occupation by throwing rocks at the occupying troops and/or participating in peaceful protests which they still get killed/injured in.

They will be dressed as militants, will hold the guns that the militants use, will put fake or real bomb belts when they go to demonstraitons.

The Palestinians are not perfect, and you cannot expect a lot from them.

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Why does Israelian militants keep on invading Palestinian land?

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I believe there is some conflict as to what is who’s land in the first place.

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I don’t know…if the Palestinian government would do something about the 70% unemployment (according to one of the links here), maybe there would be an added incentive for many people to focus on something besides the destruction of Israel or whatever it is that the fight is going on for.

Besides, such a high unemployment is usually a combination of poor education, lack of government assistance, poor infrastructure, etc. It’s also not good for the well-being of society to have such a high unemployment rate. Palestine should fix that problem if they want to move on while still being part of the conflict. Part of Israel’s success is that they are economically self-sufficient while still being part of the military conflict.

Also, the way I see it, dropping off a bomb and leaving is resistance…cowardly, but resistance nonetheless. Strapping a bomb to yourself and killing yourself amidst civilians, while still a form of resistance, seems like brainwashing. The suicide-bombers have to believe in something good coming out of them killing themselves, right?

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Can anyone explain to me why most terrorists are Muslim if it has nothing to do with their religon? Sure Palestine has it’s problems, but why did 9 men kill 3000 on 9/11 in the US? Why did 300 die in Spain? Why did 300 kids die in Russia? All by the hands of Muslims targeting civillians?

Either clerics have brainwashed the masses to kill innocent people or Islam itself promotes this…otherwise how can it be so widespread and only involve Muslims around the world?

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kirupa> if the US (and others, the blame does go on everyone) gave more money to Palestine, it MIGHT actually start building up instead of breaking down. Israel is only self sufficient because it gets 15M $ /day from the US. That’s 4 Billion+ US$ a year. Palestine is in RUINS, it cannot get out without help, but NO ONE is helping, because it would mean going against the US and that, NO ONE is willing to do so.

Besides, such a high unemployment is usually a combination of poor education, lack of government assistance, poor infrastructure, etc

Poor education? You’re talking about the schools that are being destroyed and not built again by Tsahal?
The lack of government assistance? The same government that no-one recognizes, especially NOT the US?
The poor infrastructure? See “poor education”.
Unemployement rate? With all of the above, how can you have a working society, come on. Palestine needs help, they can’t do that by themselves!

Are you blaming this on Palestinians? Really? The WTC tragedy is the US’s fault. They shouldn’t have built those high towers in the first place heh.

The US are so philantropic (helping nations gain “freedom” and such), they could do that with Palestine too… :evil:

About the bombing part… When you blow yourself up, you exactly know WHERE the bomb is (the bomb moves with you) and WHEN to blow it up. Something quite harder to achieve with a bomb you just “drop off”. There’s more damage done the first way, so I don’t find this stupid is this sense. It’s their life after all, they’re bent on killing others and themselves, its better than just killing others (one less ******* on earth).

BL> mmmh, they’re muslims because they fight under the same banner: Islam (be it right or wrong, that’s what they fight for). They are targeting civilians because they are not an army as such, they are fighting another religion and another mentality (the one led by the US, involving Free Speech and Capitalism)

Either clerics have brainwashed the masses to kill innocent people or Islam itself promotes this

isn’t this the same? Religion is brainwashing. The clerics reprensent Islam (just like the Pope represents Catholicism). But, as a reminder, it’s not all muslims that do this, just radicals. A bit like in Europe in the 16th century, Jews were killed by radical Christians, and the world saw it as Christians killing Jews, period.

I don’t understand why most Americans are so pro-Israel, when there’s really fault on both parties (and on the UN and the international community too, but that’s another story)

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I am not blaming the Palestinians only. It would be easier if Israel wasn’t making it difficult for them, and I have no doubt that Israel would like to keep the unemployment rate high in Palestine. With that said, the PA could be doing better:

But part of the responsibility also had to be allotted to the Palestinian Authority itself, the report warned.

The PA was now effectively bankrupt thanks to the blockade and the deliberate Israeli destruction of not only security but public service infrastructure.

Even before that, the Authority had displayed worrying levels of incompetence, with a “weak executive capacity in translating goals and priorities into action”.

More seriously, the report said, there were “weaknesses in the budgetary process” - including accounting problems and “fiscal leakage”, the standard code words for corruption.
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I wish more americans (specially those who trust us media when it comes to us foreign policy)travel to gaza strip and west bank.
It finally broke my heart

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Hi everybody
please mind it that no religion is in favor of terrorist. and the WORD “ISLAM” means PEACE. this all happeing out there is just all POLITICS. believe me the rel killers are those politics who sits in air-conditioned rooms to decide the furture of citizens burning in hot sun on roads searching for shelter, food, and mostly peace. to cut short long story…plz do not blame each other there is no difference among us, we all are human, this is all politicains, they fight in front of us but they are friends behind the curtains.
one more thing…close your eyes and think for a moment about the following…

  1. what if someone come to your home and kill your brothers and sisters in fron of your eyes?
  2. what is someone come to your home and rap your sister or other females?
  3. what if someone come and break down your home?
  4. what if someone kills yoru young child in front of u?
    and with other many such questions i know your ANSWER
    ------?“I will cruise him.” “i will kill him” " he will not goback then"
    ---------this is what happening in Palestaine and this is the answer of your questions…u want to change muslims’ attitude towards non-muslims…change your attitude towards them…infact BIBLE says,i dont remember the verse no. and chapter no. exactly but, “if someone slape u one one side of face then show him the other”…i fhtis is true then whats the justification of PRE-emption attacks or the American And Israel philosophy,to cut down…dudes get together now bcz its the right time to do so , politicians are scratching lines among us…but we know …that we all are humans…WE ALL ARE PEACELOVERS…
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I don’t understand why most Americans are so pro-Israel, when there’s really fault on both parties (and on the UN and the international community too, but that’s another story)
I can’t speak for all of America (although I try here offten), but I support Israel because they are not the ones strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up innocent civillians.

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With a corrupt government, Palestine won’t be able to fix its self.

Suicide bombing falls under martydom, and if you do martydom will be sent straight to heaven, but its not like i can go out and blow my self up killing several innocent people, it must be to protect my self or others and must not target women and children.

There have been cases where would-be suicide bombers aborted missions because their target was occupied by children, and i appreciate that.

If you attack the occupying Israeli army and die, thats martydom and you will go to heaven just like if you blew yourself up killing the enemy, the problem now, is that the ones being targeted are not really soldiers.

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9/11

Many believe that Muslims werent behind the 9/11 attacks, not even Bin Laden.

Spain attack

Again, some believe that it was not the work of Muslims.

Beslan school siege

Done by “fake-Muslims”.

We do have corrupt clerics who support the killing of innocent people, they are corrupt.

There is nothing wrong with Islam. Its just perfect.

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Really, too bad Israel has done much worse, i guess you support them because of it. :slight_smile:

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believe me the rel killers are those politics who sits in air-conditioned rooms to decide the furture of citizens burning in hot sun on roads searching for shelter, food, and mostly peace.
Thats why i whould happily Agree to the Sudden Death Penalty to all corrupted politicians :lol:

Back to seriuos mode, being this is the ordered forum. I Believe that america should not be walking around in other countries when their own Country is in shambles.

Income of the Regular Working man does not = the nessesary money to live.

A serious percentage of people don’t have health care (Which shoudlnt’ even exist being that Health care is free in large range of contries. we shouldn’t have to pay for something we didn’t want to happen. John Q say’s it all.)

and even worse now with elections coming, we might have another Village idiot in the stage [size=3]cough[/size] [size=1]Kerry[/size][size=3]cough

I[size=2] Believe we should thus reinstate the Draft. This will cause these Wars to become unpopular. no one in the world can say that Vietnam was a popular war.
becides, attacking Iraq was completly Unessesary. why wake a beast that cannot be stopped. Look what happend to the war on terrorism in Afganistan. The Taliban is gone, and in come somthing 100x worse. [/size]
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