The US does what it can to ensure that civillians are hurt
that freudian slip is so nice, I’ll leave it as it is…
people like you?
people like me? people like who? What kind of people am I? What kind of people are we? What kind of people are you? Tell me doc, I’m already on the couch here.
[double edit= sorry, I was in the middle of an editing process… ]
I was talking to Vulcan. I have chatted with Vulcan here for a long time and I know him to be anti-war in most cases. I am trying to show him he is wrong.
People like me ?
I never said the US doesn’t attempt to avoid collateral damage.
But attempting to avoid, and avoiding are 2 different things.
The US knows that when they drop a laser guided bomb onto a building that those around it will sustain damage and any civilians in it maybe injured or killed.
The planers make the call… If they THINK they can get away with no collateral damage they will make the call for a strike. If they know there will be collateral damage they weigh up the cost of the target against the possible loss of life.
If they think they can take the target from the ground with little or no casualties they will do that.
If they can’t, they weigh the target agaisnt the collateral damage, and make the call.
I don’t know if they use a formula for this, or they just make a judgement call…
But the fact remain the US does make strikes on targets knowing full well that civilians will die.
I am not commenting on if I feel this is acceptable or not as this is now off topic…
You see that is is the difference that people like you are missing. The US does what it can to ensure that civillians are hurt
lmao… its good to see that you fixed it… 
I have chatted with Vulcan here for a long time and I know him to be anti-war in most cases.
Yes Blind is correct in that I am anti-war… Although I don’t see how I am wrong…
Note:
I have not made comments in this thread prior to this for one simple reason.
** Is Terrorism Justified in Muslim Law?**
I don’t know what Muslim Law / Religion calls for…
And since I am not going to look into what exactly the (Koran ?) says, or how it is to be interpreted.
It is impossible for me to make a comment on this topic.
You are wrong in thinking that you can get rid of terrorisim without force…but we have been through that all before, I think we can agree to disagree
I don’t know what the Koran says, that is why I came in here to find out why all the terrorists we see are Islamic. So far all I have gotten is that Russia and Israel are oppresive so that is means to blow up innocent civillians.
You are wrong in thinking that you can get rid of terrorisim without force…
Please search through all of Kirupa and show me where I have said that you can get rid of terrorism without force ?
I have never said no such thing… So how can you say I am wrong…
Although you will find where I have said…
Kill all their families/friends/relatives as a deterrent
Nuke the lot of them off the face of the earth.
Etc etc etc……
I also said in relation to the above extremes that you would have to be mad to consider them. But it does show that I see death and blood shed as a way of reducing it.
Well, the U.S has been bombing houses which were full of civilians, claiming that supporters loyal to “al-Qaida-linked” Abu Musab al-Zarqawi were believed to be meeting, this excuse has been used a lot and i don’t buy it and the Iraqi civilians probalby don’t either.
You can search them up, if you want.
How about the incident where Iraqi civilians were standing around a U.S tank and a U.S helicopter fired on them killing a few including a Palestinian journalist.
We don’t take excuses, i know what targeting civilians is.
The US is at war to kill its enemies. We have already been through the fact that sometimes innocent people get in the way. What should the US do, just leave the enemy alone because he hase chosen to put peole in danger by staying near civillians?
The Bradley fighting vehical had weapons and intelligence that could not be allowed to get into the enemies hands. Don’t go jummping around a blown up US vehical unless you are ready to die.
What should the US do, just leave the enemy alone because he hase chosen to put peole in danger by staying near civillians?
Well I take it from this you now accept that the US does kill innocent people on purpose when they feel it is an acceptable loss. That was the point…
Do i feel it is acceptable ? I wouldn’t kill innocent civillians on purpose unless I was doing so to save innocent civilians. Ie: I would have dropped the atomic bomb because everyday that the war went on, innocent people in many countries were dying everyday. Killing a family in Iraq isn’t going to stop terrorist bombs, only increase them.
As for blowing up a building in Iraq knowning that civilains accross the road will die ?
No… A solder is a pawn to be used… That is their purpose… if they get killed in the line of duty than so be it.
It is a solders duty to protect the lives of civilians, it doesn’t matter if it’s ours or theirs.
If I had the choice of dropping a bomb on a building and killing 1 civilian near by. Or sending in solders and losing some to take that building.
I pick the death of my solders… It’s their duty to protect the innocent even at the cost of their own lives. They are my pawns and I have no problem using them.
That being said… I would do everything in my power to try to take the objective with no loss of life. If that means I have to wait until I can gather enough force in the area and risk missing my target then so be it.
I don’t waste my pawns on purpose… their to valuable…
The Bradley fighting vehical had weapons and intelligence that could not be allowed to get into the enemies hands. Don’t go jummping around a blown up US vehical unless you are ready to die.
This is true… everyone knows the US does not leave its equipment to be captured.
If you are stupid enough to go climbing on it then to bad for you ya dumb arse.
Think of it this way, you find a un-exploded US bomb in your front lawn… If you go and try to and take it and it blows up and kills you whos fault is it?
You find a US vehcile you know the US is going to blow it up first chance they get… SO if your stupid enough to go climbing on its your fault when you die.
The US can’t stop people from being stupid…
I’m gonna have to agree with Vulcan, he has a point based on solid info!
made it clear, there’s more to say than that. but that pretty much cuts it down.
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