The Purpose of life for an Atheist

I just find it highly unlikely that a load of particles came from no-where and formed a planet here and there.

Well computer models, maths and physics show that it is possible. And would NASA spend billion’s on the the Hubble if it tells us that the universe is billions of years old when the bible says 5000.

You know astroids are floating around and colliding with planets adding there mass to a planet.

You know if you were to put some dust in a vacum box that over maybe a few hundred or thousand years the tiny gravitation forces would pull them together to a clump.

It takes no strech of the imagination to see planets forming over billions of years this way.

Yet it takes a huge amount of imagination to belive that some magical God out of no where, clicked his fingers and bang here everything was.

I can’t disprove that there is no Magical God that created everything. But I can contradict just about everything in the Bible with scientific evidence, so I know there is no God as depicted in the Bible.

So given that there is no scientific evedence to support any God at all, yet there is plenty to show that evolution is how we came about… I have no choice but to believe in evolution.

I don’t mind if you want to believe in God, it’s your life, you only get one so you should believe whatever makes you happy.

But religious people shouldn’t try to debate on if there God is real or not, for the simple reason they have nothing to substanciate their claims other than the Bible.

Ref: First post of this thread.
http://www.kirupaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47966

it is impossible to prove he doesn’t exist.
same thing like:
If a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to hear (/measure/…) it, does it make a sound?
of course it will, but how to proove it.
But that’s common knowledge, obviously if something that weighs that much falls it is going to make a sound. It’s down to each individual person to decide whether or not they believe that when a tree falls will it make a sound so no, it’s nothing like that. And if it’s impossible to prove He doesn’t exist why are you trying to?

proove that there is no pink,invisible,inmeasurable,walktrough unicorn (that makes no sounds, and is not willing to reveal itself) behind you :stuck_out_tongue:
there probably is no unicorn, but how would you know.

Because the only thing to suggest that there is a unicorn behind me is what you just said, I think theres a wee bit more than you to say that God does exist.

Well computer models, maths and physics show that it is possible. And would NASA spend billion’s on the the Hubble if it tells us that the universe is billions of years old when the bible says 5000.
NASA spends billion’s on the Hubble for the same reason that they “sent man to the moon”- a-cough to make more money for themselves and to get more credit for what their doing. Also if you had of read what I was saying my main disbelief in the Bible is about “God clicking His fingers and bang, there it was”. Obviously there is more than what is told in the Bible but for the 10th time they can’t exactly write about it if they don’t know about it, because they didn’t have scientits who went and found out all this crap.

But religious people shouldn’t try to debate on if there God is real or not, for the simple reason they have nothing to substanciate their claims other than the Bible
And who are you to tell people whether or not they should debate God? If you want to sit with your little science lab out there, have fun, don’t get involved with my and many others beliefs if you don’t want to.

So why doesn’t god sent down another guy like jesus and have him fill us in on stuff we can understand today?

Obviously there is more than what is told in the Bible but for the 10th time they can’t exactly write about it if they don’t know about it, because they didn’t have scientits who went and found out all this crap.
Oh…. So if they had scientist back then, then they would have described the creation of the universe in more detail. But since they had no scientists they couldn’t.

Well how do they know that God created the Earth in 7 days ??? God made it in 7 days, then he put us on it. God must have told someone otherwise that piece of information wouldn’t be in the Bible, after all man wasn’t around to see the creation of the Earth.

So therefore God told man he created Earth in 7 days……. So why wouldn’t he say he created the Universe?

And who are you to tell people whether or not they should debate God?
Well the whole point to a debate is to argue for your point based on the evidence you have. Religious people have 0% evidence…. So how can you debate something with nothing to back you ?

Why the **** are you asking me? Do I claim to be a bringer of knowledge or something?
If everything in religeon is wrong then your assuming that nothing can be said to be valid without 100% proof of it, meaning that you also have 0%, so why are you still making a dick of yourself?

If everything in religeon is wrong then your assuming that nothing can be said to be valid without 100% proof of it, meaning that you also have 0%, so why are you still making a dick of yourself?

I never said you need 100% proof… Most things in science there isn’t 100% proof. Its probability… Based on the evidence you have for religion, and based on the evidence I have for creation… 1 has a higher probability and so it is only natural to asume it is the correct one.

As for me making a dick of myself, I think you just made one yourself. And it’s only far to warn you, that sort of language isnt accepted here.

You know what they say…
If you can’t stand the heat… then stay out of the kitchen ! :slight_smile:

Ok - group hug everyone. Try to keep the bad language out of this. I may have to close this thread if the animosity keeps up :chinaman:

Science is right or at least when you get caught and fined a speeding ticket you can argue that science is incorrect and your were’nt speeding because speed and velocity have been derived from scientific principles, see how far that gets you…

What has that got to do with existance of God?

Sorry to Kirupa for my language, and to vulcan, if anyone is going to tell me to watch my mouth it’ll be Kirupa, not you.

As for not having 100% proof, if you do not have 100% proof then you cannot say that it 100% correct, therefore there must be other theories to how something has happened, therefore you cannot disprove God and say that science is correct.

God created this world for peace but due to disobedience that was all taken from us (adam ate the apple after he was specifically told not to)…that triggered sin into world…we are all born into a world of sin from that point on…

And yes religion has alot to do with where we grew up or our background (meaning if i was boring in araq i would be a muslim) but the key thing to remember here is our free will to choose… I’m sure every muslim heard of christianity and they have the choice to learn more about it and decide if that’s what they want…so regardless of i was born into a family of chiristian i still heard about muslims…buddah…etc… but i chose to go in the path of Christianity…

About the church of laodecia… God calls this age that because he considers the church (his people) as being luke warm…they are not hot for God but their still not cold either… (laodecia was a city that was weathly the church was bringin in the money,everyone was in service but the peoples hearts were elsewhere) and that is what he is comparing how the church is today to that city …that’s why alot of priest are being with young boys…and pastor killing member in church because his wife was having an affair…those are the things God is talkin about…and why he’s upset with this era of the church…our faith is not as strong as it should be…and he knows this…that’s why alot of people cant put their faith into the church when they see all of this goin on.

About the middle east it’s more than oil my friend…its a prophecy that must be fulfilled b4 he comes back. In the valley of Megiddo (probably the most famous valley in the world) where two-end time battes will be fought . The mediterranean and the arab allies of russia will do battle there and jerusalem mentioned in prophecy more than any city on earth, will be a pain the neck of the rest of the world, just as it seems today.

the conflict between israel and the palestinian arabs will foucs more and more attention on jerusalem. In all those situations Jerusalem is the city to watch it’s gettin ready to play out it’s final role.

we all can argue all day about atheist and Christianity but at the end of the day when this discussion you will still have the choice to go left or right…i made up my mind…(i’ll actually pray from all of you guys whether u want me to or not…because you truly dont know what ur doin)…and please stop looking for science to answer ur questions it will only drive your faith further away…i know sumone out there is reading and thinking …so whoever you are out of the many…learn more about his word.

@to the dude that keeps cursing…if u say ur a christian you dont have to resort to cursing…that’s only proving their point more…yes i know we’re not perfect but i’m sure u can refrain…(dont take it personal) but if we say we’re christians people will look for the simpliest things to call us out on.

Man forreal i can go on all day if i truly wanted to…but i’m not here to convince anyone…i’m only here to let u know u have a choice…and with that choice comes a life changing effect… whether it’s good or bad…that all depends on ur choice…please choose corectly your soul rests on it… i dont think i need to respond to anymore post after this…because it’s not a battle of the word against science because (in the beginning there was God and the word was with God) i dont need science to prove that to me…i’ll go on my belief to accept that…

if anyone wants to talk further u can email me and we can chat but i know my work here is done…who choose to listen will be rewarded the rest …i think u know what happens… (if sum of yall feel a lil guilty about the stuff you have said or done…dont be scared…it’s only the holy spirity convicting you…we need that conviction to break us down only for the lord to build us back up)…

(last thing…i know yall sayin will he be done already…lol) but i would recommend you guys watchin a series on VHS or DVD called (left behind)…u will understand…even if it’s one person…take a look at that… …

Amen

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[color=black][font=Verdana]Sorry to Kirupa for my language, and to vulcan, if anyone is going to tell me to watch my mouth it’ll be Kirupa, not you.[/font][/color]
I never told you to watch you mouth, I am not a moderator I don’t have to baby sit you. There is nothing you can say that would ever offend me so I couldn’t care less what you say.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]However that type of language is not tolerated here, immediately after your swearing Kirupa posted he was closing this thread, but I got my post in before he could. I guess since I didn’t start swearing back at you he decided to delete his post and let the thread continue.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]I was merely informing you that sort of language isn’t accept here and it is the quickest way to have a thread closed and spoil it for everyone. Or get yourself banned.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]In future if you feel the need to express yourself in a more colorful manner then by all means send it to me in a PM I don’t mind. :)[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana]As for not having 100% proof, if you do not have 100% proof then you cannot say that it 100% correct, therefore there must be other theories to how something has happened, therefore you cannot disprove God and say that science is correct.[/font][/color]
[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]As I said science doesn’t have 100% proof for everything. But what are the 2 things we are talking about here…… Man and the Universe…[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]There is a tone of evidence to support evolution and Darwinism that explains how man came about.[/font][/color]
[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Now while they don’t have all the pieces. I would say they have 80-90% of it worked out… There are some missing links in the fossils, but it’s only a matter of time before they fill it all in.[/font][/color]
[color=black][font=Verdana]They have shown in Petri dishes that under the climatic conditions of early earth that simple molecules left on their own can form amino acids and given enough time would they should form proteins, the building blocks of life.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]All these pieces fit into the jig saw puzzle to explain how man came about. It is only a matter of time until they have the missing pieces.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]The Bible says God created the Earth and Man 5000 years ago.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]We know the earth is billions of years old, no one would dispute that so we know for a fact 100% that the Bible is wrong on that.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]We have fossils of men 100,000 years old, there are ruins of ancient civilization that are a lot older than 5000 years. Once again we have 100% proof that the Bible is wrong.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]So science has proven for 100% that the Bible is wrong on the age of the Earth and the age of man.[/font][/color]
[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Science has provided evidence on how man came about that is 80-90% complete.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]So do I believe a book that is 100% wrong, or do I believe in the science that has evidence to show how man came about…. Hmmm believe something that has been proven 100% wrong…… Or believe something that makes 100% sense, with 80-90% hard evidence to support it ??? no brainer…[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]As for the universe….[/font][/color]
[color=black][font=Verdana]There are plenty of theories that describe how the universe came about…. While not perfect these models follow laws of math’s and physics and just about describe how the universe was created.[/font][/color]
[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]As I said before… 15-20 years is how long they think it will take before they have it worked out……[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]So do I believe in the math’s and physics that got us to the moon and enables us to see billions of light years away.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Or some magical being without a shred of evidence.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Note: The 15-20 years is partly based on the building of particle accelerators powerful enough for them to study all the particles. They need this information so their models can be accurate and account for all the mass in the universe.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana]but if we say we’re christians people will look for the simpliest things to call us [/font][/color]out on
[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]I didn’t know swearing was a no-no in the Bible….[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]There is no point in calling people out for not following the rules word for word… They don’t have to… the whole free will thing, all can be repented invalidates that.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]The only time I would call someone out is when they make no sense… Call themselves a Christian but say they don’t believe in the Bible because of how silly it seems…… Man 5000 years old and stuff….[/font][/color]
[color=black][font=Verdana]If you don’t believe in the Bible then you are not Christian… You are Religious… You believe in some higher power… creator…. God…… but your not Christian…[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana]Man forreal i can go on all day if i truly wanted to…but i’m not here to convince anyone…[/font][/color]
[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]You don’t have to convince anyone of anything…… but you seem to know your stuff pretty well…. So you can educate others including myself on it.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana]About the middle east it’s more than oil my friend…its a prophecy that must be fulfilled b4 he comes back.[/font][/color]
[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Well while I obviously don’t consider the prophecy to be real… I wouldn’t be supprised if there was a world war 3 and it happened there over oil.[/font][/color]
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[color=black][font=Verdana][/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]When people have no fuel for there cars/trains/planes/heat the governments are going to have to pay big for the reserves there… And when the poorer countries can’t afford it… Like [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Russia[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana], they will try to take it… The [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]US[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] will try to stop them because they want it… [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Europe[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] will join [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]Russia[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] because they know they will get nothing if the [/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana]US[/font][/color][color=black][font=Verdana] gets it and WW3 will be on.[/font][/color]
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Do you ever shut-up? You could have left it at what it was- Ramo left a very fufilling post but you had to come back with more of how your right. I appologise, you say God doesn’t exist, the rest of the world must be mistaken. I’m not even gonna bother anymore. I’m surprised you havn’t claimed to be God yourself yet.

Sigh - well, the thread had a good run. It’s best to close it for now :stuck_out_tongue:

EDIT: Yes - a response that is not inflammatory (see Jubba’s below)! Opening thread again.

I agree with that at least.

“Oh ****! Here come the Christians! And they brought sticks this time! RUN!!”

I’ll start at the beginning.

What is the purpose of life for an atheist?

Its been answered in this thread already. We are here to live. Just as we did before religion was created among men. Just as all of the other species of the world do now. We live. We die. Some of us create legends that last forever, but overall they are few and far between. I am not here to leave a lasting mark on humanity. I am here to be a good son, brother, friend, and husband. I am here to make sure my family is taken care of and my friends are, too. It may not seem like much but it keeps me alive.

I have often thought about suicide. Not actually thinking about killing myself, but more about my death and what it will mean. Cosmically speaking it won’t mean anything. The Earth won’t stop turning. The Amazon won’t run dry. Volcanos will not errupt to mark my passing. The flags at my local post office won’t even see a half-mast flying. My death wouldn’t mean anything to the world, but it would mean everything to my family and friends. To me they are my world and they are the reason I live. They are the purpose in my life.

When the end comes and I do pass away, if I am wrong and there is a god of some sort then I’ll deal with that when the time comes. But I already know what my hell would be. Sitting at a poker table and always being dealt A-A and losing every time.


As far as people going around “spreading the word of god” well thats fine by me. You can spread it all you want. I’ll even listen to you and question you on your own beliefs when you’re done. I’ve read the bible numerous times and I know it better than most of the Christians that I know. Its an amazing piece of literature filled with remarkable stories. Whenever I am short of something good to read I always tend to pick it up.

The thing that kills me is that in an age so full of corrupt men, people that subscribe to a particular faith are so quick to place their faith into a book that was written by men. The old testament was written by the Semites thousands of years ago.

The story of Cain and Able can either be interpreted as a quarrel between two brothers or as war propaganda between two neighboring cultures (with archaeological evidence to support it).

I once dated a girl who was the daughter of a Southern Baptist minister. For those of you that don’t know, Southern Baptist ministers are (no offense to anyone) pretty nuts. They are usually hardcore with the fire and brimstone and raining sheets of fire upon us, etc etc. Well anyway, this man decided that his goal in life was to convert me and save my soul. Definately infringing on my personal right of space, ideas, and respect, but I let him go through his ordeal and I listened to him. Questioned him about his own ideas and it ended up being an interesting talk but he failed to understand that I am un-convertable. Its not that his explanation wasn’t adequate enough, my ‘faith’ in atheism is just that concrete. I can’t be persuaded to another system of beliefs. I do however love to discuss religion with people, because it is what I intend to study (world religions and their implications within society along with their construction and destruction).

Well I suppose that is enough for me for now.

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I am an athiest because I do not believe in having someone else tell me what I can or cannot do. I believe in helping myself and don’t rely on superficial beings to solve my problems.

Do you ever shut-up? You could have left it at what it was- Ramo left a very fufilling post but you had to come back with more of how your right.

If you say something that is incorrect I will correct you.
If you ask a question I will answer it.

If you dont like the answers there is no need to sulk and spoil it for everyone else.

Theres the door >>>>>>

Do you ever shut-up? You could have left it at what it was- Ramo left a very fufilling post but you had to come back with more of how your right.

I should hope not, thats the essence of a debate. Just because Ramo made a good post (I have yet to read it) does not mean that this thread is done and overwith. If you feel that the conversation has reached absolution then you are free to leave at anytime. I, however, in just deciding to join would like to continue on.

With that said:

The problem with threads like these is that people lose their tempers and post without thinking. This is a debate/discussion not an argument. If you can’t control your temper then don’t post in this thread. It is not designed to make people angry but we are attempting to tread on very touchy issues and people may get offended. Remember to be respectful. There are right and wrong ways of debating.

If you (ie. everyone/anyone) begin to behave in a manor we (Kirupa and the moderators) deem ‘bad’ for the forum identity and the continuation of the Ordered forum, more specifically, we will ask you to refrain from joining in on debates such as these.

To sum up: Be respectful. The discussion is never over. And… um… Go METS!

Digigamer: Do you actually believe that there is no “God”? or do you feel more that we can’t prove there is one and even if there is then we really have no need for one because we are in control of our own lives?