[size=4]YES! I love your argument Telekenesis![/size]
Let me help you with more great logical and constructed arguments…
[size=3]to people who oppose bush: Why Do you *HATE *Freedom!?
[/size][size=1]…yeah… that was sarcasm…[/size]
Sure, if you do not live in the US, just shut the f*ck up. How can you dare to have an objective opinion, that’s unamerican and unpatriotic.
Have you ever been to war? Sign in the army, go to Iraq, see for your self and tell us about your experiences.
I’m pretty sure, war then WILL BE part of your life, in everything you do, in every childs smile you’d see the burned faces of Iraqi childs … It will always be with you, even (or especially at night), lots of goooooooooooood dreams.
War is part of life?
If it’s part of life, make it part of your life!!
Yeah, the opportunity to attack other countries for no reason just because ‘we have the power’ and the others don’t.
True … Oil.
Woooohooo, I’m pretty afraid!
What’s next?
“Let’s settle this outside”?
True, but when someone has an opinion, I expect him to have thought about what he sais.
That is no opinion, that’s pure ideology.
Might be that some around here don’t quite know the core meaning of ideology…
Ideology == unreflected values.
(I think, there’s a lot of ideology around here.)
If you are an average American, you can’t even find our countries on a globe.
How do you want to know what our country stands for …
Gooooood point,
I know you are great in threatening with no reason.
Remember the ultimatum to Saddam?
“They didn’t find any weapons of mass destruction, but that doesn’t matter to me. F*uck off within 3 days, Saddam, or I’ll attack your country!”
And so they did. And what happened? Thousends of people killed, tortured, lost home. And then?
“Oooooooooooops, we didn’t find any weapons! We might have known that before because of the findings of the UN-inspectors, but WHO CARES, WE FOUND OIL!”
I hope it won’t be the same with Bush …
If you could look at it without tons and tons of screwed up governmental partisan media, you might be able to see some parallels.
Sorry, berkoWitZ wasn’t quite precise at that point.
Your comment is not only sad but very sad and very, very poor.
He showed the world we don’t let terrorists attack our citizens.
mmh. We’re talking about Iraq here? Please explain the correlations between Iraq and Terrorists. I’d love to hear them.
i’m an aussie and the reason i’d vote kerry is because it is the only way to stop the FTA between australia and the USA, i wanna stop it because i believe that it will ruin australia’s ecconomy.
Just out of curiosity, why are you against the FTA? I thought that the FTA would make American goods in AU cheaper. Likewise, won’t AU goods in the US be cheaper also? For I’ve heard good and bad things about the FTA, and it worked well in some cases while it has been pretty bad in others. So I’m just curious as to why you are against the FTA 
True, but only for the rich. His tax cuts made no difference to the blue collar Americans. Their bosses made a killing but not the single parents/low earners working maybe three jobs to support themselves and their families.
How many terrorist attacks were there on the USA before 9/11? …Still thinking? Thought so. Saddam Hussein is not Al Queda! Osama bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks and he is still hiding out in Afghanistan living on the money his Suadi Arabian family endowed him with. Bush II most likely doesn’t want to find Osama since he is a close friend of Bush I. 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to Bush. It made America rally behind him and he played everyone like a bunch of suckers.
D.amn right he made a big mess! It may be useful to note that Saddam Hussein, and Iraq in general, has never committed a major terroist attack on the US and until Bush II came to power America was Iraq’s major source of nuclear weaponry. Any weapons of mass destruction that might have been in Iraq (I hear they’re still searching ;)) would have most likely been American missiles sent to Saddam by Bush I for use against Iran.
I think I’ve made my point. I’m not American and I wouldn’t vote for Bush or Kerry. Ralph Nader is my choice. Go Greens!
If this is true then why did America declare war on Iraq when there was no connection whatsoever between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks. None. Nada. Nothing. Almost all of the terrorists involved in those attacks were from Saudi Arabia. Including Osama bin Laden. This holy war against the USA is Al Quaeda’s thing. In fact, because of his (SH’s) religious principles and former allignment with the US, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Al Quaeda and Osama bin Laden hated Saddam Hussein. Iraquis are not the terrorists.
And another thing, about this pre-emptive war c.rap. You can’t justify a war on a country because you think they might just, maybe be a threat to peace in the future. Who is the biggest threat to world peace at the moment? America is with all these pre-emptive attack strategies. How is starting wars ever the way to peace? Tell me now because I really want to know.
Fire Gambler and Flash Gordo… why do you guys [size=3]hate[/size] [size=3]freedom[/size]?
Im not talking about the war that happened 100 years ago! Im talking about war now! Its just SAD that war still exist in 2004, I could say more things but firegambler and Flash gordon say it all perfectly
I’m sorry your country doesn’t care about freedoms and standing for anything. Or maybe we should compare economies
well, my country happens to like freedom, thats why we eliminate the army 80 years ago :), and why would I want to compare the economy??? See, ur comment is out of context…
Also, realize who Im talking to??? whats that man! are u threating me? C´mon man!
I think it´s enough, I see theres is no point talking in here…
well yea… to say that war is a bad thing… it is… I certainly agree with it, but then I really don’t know if there’s any other way to fight terrorism.
well like I said, I don’t like war, but seriously… I need some insight… anything… just tell me if any of you know a better way of handling terrorism? [this is not a sarcasm, I just want to know if any of you can come up with a solution/idea]
I am removing the content of this post completely. :kommie:
Paddy (Flash)
[size=1]EDIT: well if Flash deleted his post, then there is no need for my post :)[/size]
Sorry K-man. I got angry at telekinesis basically saying that America is the greatest nation on Earth and therefore why would anyone want to live anywhere else. Evidently our countries suck in comparison. It’s not fair to say that.
The parallels with Nazi Germany was light hearted. It wasn’t meant to offend.
This topic always ends up like that - now I see why almost every forum I go to specifically forbids talking politics lol 
Well in politics you either have definite views or none at all. Wavering somewhere in the middle just won’t cut it. coughkerrycough
I’m not anti-US, I would just like to live in a world where I don’t have to see or hear about wars or killings or terrorist attacks. Britain and Australia are as much to blame as America for starting the war. If they hadn’t backed Bush up then maybe there would have been no war. However I do think that Bush is unable to talk his way out of a situation and if he can’t get help from his friends then he gets trigger happy.
If there had been a similar attack to 9/11 on Britain instead I am sure that I would have wanted the perpetrators punished. But I also think that there would not have been the tidal wave of media frenzy that there was in America. The government and the media manipulated the American people in the aftermath of 9/11 and played tricks with their minds. I don’t know how the American public came to believe that Saddam Hussein was to blame for the 9/11 attacks but it is a problem and it needs to be righted.
I recommend that everyone read George Orwell’s ‘1984’. It will explain what I think Bush is trying to do.
This is my last post in this topic as I’m sick of arguing.
Paddy
kirupa, if u erase the whole flash gordon post u should erase ur last sentence too saying the anti-Us thing, dont u think???
And ur right, this kind of thread always end like this…theres nothing we can do…
Done! Actually, only the first part of his post was removed
I deleted my post berkoWitz. :lol: Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks kirupa, nice to know this forum is lead by a serious person
Just a few more questions …
Might be a bit off topic,
let’s just have a thought about the following:
How come that the (calling itself) mother country of democracy one cannot elect the president directly?
(In fact it was the Greeks that invented democracy <--- side comment)
How come that the (so called) mother country of democracy uses electors to elect the president?
How come, that if a party gets the majority of votes for their electors in one state THE WHOLE slate of electors of this state is counted for the candidate of that party.
(The only exeption in this is the state of Maine, all others act as described above)
Lets have a simple example:
Assume you have two states, state A with 1 million inhabitants and 100 electors,
state B with 200.000 electors and 20 electors.
Kandidates are called say Mike and Fred.
Now Fred gets 499.000 votes in state A and 190.000 votes in state B.
That makes a total of 689.000 votes (of a possible max of 1.200.000)
That equals 57,42%. Anyhow he only gets the 20 electors' votes from state B
He loses the election since it's MIKE that gets all the electors votes in state A.
[size=1]For those who would like to oppose “But we have 50 states!”:
That works for 50 states as well,
it’s just a bit more complex to understand than in a 2-state-case.
[size=2]Is THAT democracy?
Is it justified to attack a country without the proof of any threat?
Is it right to make people think Iraq is responsible for 9/11 when it was Al Quaida?
How come many US-citizens think that Iraq and Al Quaida are the same?
Could it be that media had a certain influence on this biased views?
Could it be that the reports causing those views came quite handy for GeorgyBoy?
Ok, one can make ONE mistake.
Voting for Bush the first time was that mistake but maybe one couldn't know.
One can only blame people for making a mistake TWICE.
Vote for anybody you want,
JUST DON'T VOTE BUSH.
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