Who would you vote for in November presedential elections?

I vote Bush!

Nicely said, sttuffy.

It’s true probobly the EU and other worlds Media is even more Anti-Bush, but media is a two-way mirror, they dont just tell the people to deslike Bush, they reflect that sentiment that the large majority of the worlds population was against the war in Iraq, and hence the anti-Bush attitude.

I once saw a video, and it had a british lady who gave her view, based on what she has observed:

She basically had observed that media in Britian largely reflects public opinion, while media in America seems to be all about influencing public opinion… Based on what i’ve seen, i would say that this is an accurate assessment of mainstream media in america, vs. the rest of the world…

IMDB = Internet Movie Database, a quite interesting site for movie buffs, full of trivia and whatnot. The forums, on the other hand, are another story: most people seem to hate Americans as well as Bush, and are quite vitriolic about it.

Could someone from outside America try to explain why the world hates Bush so much, and as I know one reason is the war in Iraq, explain why people are so against that war.

Here is something that may give some food for though. It may seem very out there… but then again so is going to war when 45 Million people around the world stand up and say no! ( we have since been vindicated, although this may not have refelcted in american media… ) … I Dont dislike americans, or america. I just think that there is more than meets the eye in the world today, and one must take an objective point of view to understand the truth . I Myself am guilty of non-objectivity on Bush and Blairs behalf, but refuse to bow to fear and intimidation propaganda. Perhaps these articles may read as an alternative./…

http://www.nogw.com/

Here is something else to ponder, after the horrible massacre at the school in Russia, Putin declared that he would “carry out pre-emptive strikes on terrorist bases around the world.”

I know that Russia was against the invasion of Iraq, but perhaps it gives you a different perspective on things when the innocent citizens of your own country are attacked.

I know that Russia was against the invasion of Iraq, but perhaps it gives you a different perspective on things when the innocent citizens of your own country are attacked.

how come this did not happen in spain when they blew up the trains in madrid? People here are more against bush and the war in iraq since then.

I think that Pomme is right about grey… its never black or white…

I will see if I can maybe write a good answer to your question tomorrow.

Could someone from outside America try to explain why the world hates Bush so much, and as I know one reason is the war in Iraq, explain why people are so against that war.

Could someone from outside America try to explain why the world hates Bush so much, and as I know one reason is the war in Iraq, explain why people are so against that war.

i dont think people opposed the war, as much as they did the phony rational that justified it. If from the very begining, Bush would have made it clear that the only reason to oust Saddam Hussein was because he is a horrible dictator, then there might have been more support. (hell, even i could support that rationale) It was the fact that they made up the WMD assertion, and were trying to build a case for war under a false premise, that upset a large portion of the world… thats the way i see it, anyway…

Shack – I think the reaction in Spain was dfferent because people percieved the cause of the bombing differently. When 9/11 happened, everyone in this counry realized that it hadn’t happened because for any particular reason, other than that Muslim extremists hate Western culture completely. In Spain, (at least my impression of the reaction, borne out by your comment), the reaction was that the attack was caused primarily by Spain’s support of the war in Iraq. Perhaps this is true, however, it is not root cause, merely a handy excuse, when in reality, Muslim extremists hate the Spanish, not because they supported the war in Iraq, but because they are not Muslim, and are a part of Western Culture. Anyone who lives in a Western country (which now includes all of Europe and Russia), is deluding themselves if they belive that they have to do something, like supporting the war in Iraq, to have Muslim extremists hate and wish to kill them.

Majeye – I agree with you completely, had we found WMD I would feel completely (not just mostly) justified with the war. There are 2 things that i have read that are not covered in any major news outlets that should be mentioned.

  1. There is evidence that Saddam thought he had WMDs, he gave money to his commanders, they spent all the money on themselves, then reported back that yes, indeed, they had manufactured whatever. Thus, if our intelligence knew everything that Saddam knew, we still would have thought he had WMDs.
  2. Saddam was paying a group of Iraqi nuclear scientists in a hollowed out mountian in Lybia that Saddam paid for, experimenting on nuclear material that Saddam paid for.

Yes well, the bombings real purpose was to make people vote “PSOE” instead of the “PP”, who had the power before the elections and supported the war in Iraq. So it wasn’t really against Western Culture or Spanish people, the intention was to punish “PP” as much as possible.

I’m curious to know if you ever saw in america on the news, the pictures of the big manifestations that took place all over europe against the war in Iraq?
If so, how did the people in america react to this? Did Bush ever say anything about it? (I’m not trying to make a point, just curious to know).

I’m curious to know if you ever saw in america on the news, the pictures of the big manifestations that took place all over europe against the war in Iraq?
If so, how did the people in america react to this? Did Bush ever say anything about it?

Bush never addressed it to my knowledge, and the protests (here and worldwide) were briefly shown on the major networks, if at all…

interesting, it thought that the ones in america atleast would have been shown. Thanks for the answer.

Cheers

Yes, all the protest have been shown. The ones here and the ones oversees. Brief is a relative word. I personally think they were shown too much. I don’t really know what amount of time is “necessary” to show these things. We in America are fully aware that the world (Europe) is against the war in Iraq. We hear about it all the time.
However, I don’t think it deserves a response from the President because he is doing what he feels is right for America, not what the European population wants.

Yeah really, whats the point of showing hundreds of thousands of people that disagree with the President? I mean, he’s got the power to do whatever the hell he wants, its not like he’s elected to represent a population or something like that…

Thats true, in a realpolitik sense.

But we are not alone in the world, and what we do affects alot of people. (Esspecialy the USA) and the president represents us, and I dont think its bad that he responds to them, esspecialy that European Nations have been our allies for almost 60 years. And plus we need to work with them in the future, the stability of the world will depend on cooperation and we need to be diplomatic about it. I am not saying that we should submit to anyone, I am just saying we should not burn bridges, and a responce is the least we can do and I dont beleive I am the only one that feels that way, and as a citizen I would like to see my representatives to represent me in such ways.

Seems everyone hates Bush. But can’t really think of many great reasons to hate him for. So many are influenced by those who surround them, it’s terrible. Three out of four people express their “hate” for Bush, and the other one will start thinking alike. If I was legal age, I would vote for a lesser-known candidate. I like neither Kerry, Bush, nor Nader.