what are your views on the death penalty?
i think that it is not needed, and shouldnt go on, and this is why. I view the death penalty as a easy was out, Becasue what is worse, dying or living in horriable conditions with a guy named leo?
I used to be for the death penalty.
Then I found out that it costs more to put a prisoner on death row, than it was to imprison him for life.
Now, I no longer support the death penalty. In my opinion, it has very little effect on the persons who commit the crimes.
Rev
You guys ever heard of H Unit in Oklahoma? Thats what i think is needed. Its all underground so the prisoners never see a sunset or sunrise, never see the landscape again. they are in their cells for 23 hours of the day. Its a living hell. What does death do? Nothing. Why? Well look at it this way, when you put a murder to death, what does that teach him? But when you put a murder to jail for 2 life sentences when he is 20 he has all his life, which could be to 80 or 90, to think about what he did to get there, and to live with his guilt and sorrow. Capital punishment does not need to go on for the same reason as phil said. Its much outdated and really, it lets the prisoners āoffā.
Mistakes happen yes. But for the most part I am for the death penalty. It has proven to be relitivly effetive in most states that have taken it on. With the exception of Cali.
Given the circumstances that is. Women that drown five of her own children in a row need to be removed from this planet. Regardless of the cost. I am not a man of faith so it is easier for me to judge I guess. Others would prefer to keep them out of the public and let the man upstairs do the judging. Thats why this is such a heated debate I guess.
If I accidently ran someone over on a rainy night and killed them. (With no alcohol or drugs involved) I think that would not warrent death by your peers.
That is trueā¦but i dont know. i would rather have them suffer.
But phil, i think that you need to break them and then rebuild them to make them leave their old habbits. its jsut something that must be done. Dont get me wrong, i dont think they should be beaten, but i think they should be striped down of all pride then rebuilt with bnew morals.
Yeah but Philā¦ If we were to make the prison system alot cleaner and more on the safer sideā¦ Then there is our tax dollars going into making these criminals lead better lives in prisonā¦
I for one have mixed feelings about the death penaltyā¦ Personally if someone can shoot a guy in the head and take away that manās life and have no guilt about doing itā¦ Iām pretty sure that man knows what he is getting himself into.
There are alot of people who would rather sit in a prison and not have to endure the hardships of life on the outside. I use to work with an inmate on work release and he said that life in a prison wasnāt that bad at all. He would work out most of the time and sit there and come up with new ideas for things and all that kind-a stuffā¦ He was likeā¦ āThe food isnāt desirableā¦ But itās better than McDonalds!ā lolā¦
Soā¦ I was thinking about thisā¦ here is some guy living a better life than me right now. Doesnāt have to worry about the hardships of bill paying and other stressful factsā¦ And all because he was drinking and driving too many times.
Hmmā¦ Just my feelings 
Back to the main topic thoughā¦ Detah penaltyā¦ Mixed opinions reallyā¦
playamarz ;player:
canāt compare diff cultures like that Philā¦
same with the gun lawsā¦
too much history to try to eraseā¦ wonāt happen. Personally, I think the image of being raped by a guy named Bubba scares more people straight than the death penalty, but that is meā¦
Rev
*Originally posted by Phil Jayhan *
**You know something phunny, if Alex doesnāt mind a mild digression from his Topic, but it is related;
No peoblem phil, this is getting interesting.
I am indifferent, but I think the death penalty is an easy way out for many of the criminals who would not mind being executed. People who commit horrible crimes such as drowning 5 children are probably not afraid of the consequences of death.
Instead of giving them luxuries that many people around the world would dream to have, make the inmates do something painful such as break rocks day-in and day-out. While I am not entirely for the excessively cruel punishments employed in China, the Middle East, North Korea, etc. for prisoners, I believe potential criminals should be afraid of prisons.
Prison is not a place where one goes to start a band so he can get a few mins of airtime on VH1. Prisoners should be kept isolated from the outside world, and they should be given every ample opportunity to suffer through the irreparable harm they may have caused to other innocent people.
Therefore, I believe, the death penalty is not the most efficient or cost effective solution to ending a problem caused by social misfits who would rather die than face their conscience (or whatās left of it). If a murderer/rapist/child molestor/traitor deciding to throw a grenade into his own unitās tent, etc. was to be executed though, I would not mind one bit.
I just want them to suffer a bit before they are taken out of this earth - without having to take up millions of dollars of public money.
Cheers!
Kirupa 
What Iām saying Phil is that the person I was talking to used the system to live a better life in prison. Therein, when he gets outā¦ he will submit himself to crime yet again to fulfill his wishes.
If we treat criminals very well in prison then what is their to fear in crime. Alot of people donāt submit themselves to crime because they fear the prison systemā¦ How many times have you heard someone say that they werenāt going to steal something because they were afraid of being some guyās ***** in prisonā¦ Or anything on the lines of thatā¦
I for one will tell you that I never did anything like stealing or anything because of this sheer fear. Itās not the fear of losing my freedom that scares meā¦ I could sit in a room all day and look through bars and sit there and doodle and draw for a year and not worry about it at allā¦ Itās the fact that Iād have to eat crappy food and possibly be some guyās ***** for a year that makes me afraid.
Those are just my opinions. In allā¦ I would love to agree with you in the fact of treating them like men in hopes that they treat us back with respectā¦ But there are plenty of chances given to those who love freedomā¦ Of course certain things like being framed or accidently hitting someone and killing them can entail on the system of āpossibilitiesāā¦ But in special cases like those we should send them to high level prisons in which they are treated with more respect and handled more carefully.
Which leads me to my idea of a prison systemā¦ The worse the crimeā¦ The less respect you receive. I feel if you ādrown 5 of your childrenā you should be thrown in a low end prison with prisoners like yourself. You shouldnāt be allowed the chance to gain your respect back for thatā¦
But Then againā¦ Iām always on the acts of forgiving and forgettingā¦ So this is actually a hard debate for me to get intoā¦ Half hypocritical but half opinionatedā¦ I can forgive someone for shooting someone in the headā¦ But I still think that person should pay for his crime. Thereā¦ That explains itā¦ 
playamarz :player:
Well said kirupa.
another point that i want to make is that, wouldnt the Executioner be considered a murderer? Or is there some type of legal document that lets him do this with out getting a life sentence?
I do think we need to make our prisons more self-funding. Iām not saying slave labor, but they could learn a trade, make something to sell at market rates to subsidize their criminal arsesā¦
Rev
There you go revā¦ Now that would be a dman good idea.
playamarz :player:
Many prisons, I believe, do allow their prisoners to make works of art, furniture, etc - but that is usually the low/medium security facilities. Of course, the cost far outstrips any small amounts of money the prison makes from the prisonersā efforts.
Also, I doubt they will let prisoners in a high-security prison (which requires more personnel and costs) do carpentry with a sharp, jagged tool
Cheers!
Kirupa :moustache
all of Californiaās license plates have been made in Folsom Prison for a hundred years or soā¦
Rev
I totally oppose the death penalty. It is far too nice to some of the violent criminals. They rape and violently murder people. Then they get to live in a room with digital cable and nice meals for 10 years and then they are put to death without any pain. I think we need to have a law, where if someone murders/rapes more than 5 people, thus proving they are completely inhuman, they should have the same thing done to them that they did to their victims.
I think they might enjoy that thoughā¦
playamarz :player:
didnt read all the posts, but, i think some people do deserve itā¦
Alex, he is protected by law. But when you think about it, would you want to kill people for a living? I dont think i could handle that. Its just that the 10 Commandements state 'Thou shall not Kill" and doing that for a living? I dont know. I just think the death pentelty is bad all around.
edit: Like rev said with the labor. I know that in New York prisoners do work and get paid for it. but its like $0.6 an hour sometimes. Its really bad. But one thing that i was thinking of on a count of what Playa was saying about good conditions, some crimals commit crimes to get off the streets. That was a little off the subject but stillā¦
