[QUOTE=shane-c;2357130]^ It’s problebly u[/QUOTE]
wat is thet thing btween teh t n s??
lol I don no I thnik its french or sumthin
^ ow my brain… 
[QUOTE=Syous;2357099]We’d need an anything goes mod.[/QUOTE]I think nobody fills that position pretty well.
that sucks… 
there goes at least 1/5th of the client-side help.
I agree with ftl and others, if you’re posting in random, you’re basically acting as if you are among friends; and though this forum does have its share of mental and chronological 10 year olds, ppl are just blowing off steam and having fun and should be allowed to do as they will (for the most part). I posted the other day about weight lifting, just killing time and having fun (because I work two full time jobs, go to school full time and take care of my wife and child in every second in between); I blew off some steam and even apologized if anyone was offended by my words/opinions and got shut down by a moderator I have never seen post here before.
Use more respect when you post and realize that not everyone has the same goals as you (nor looks at the world the same).
I didn’t really put anyone down, well maybe NeoDreamer at one point, but I had apologized already and had even pointed out in a self-effacing manner that I was ranting/soap-boxing. No disrespect intended toward telekinesis, but I don’t need this sort of condescension for giving out what I deem useful advice, especially when I am constantly helping people here on these forums. It seems much less like policing than hall-monitoring on occasion.
That I don’t agree with however.
When people act in a way that isn’t suggested by the forum TOS, that’s what moderators are for.
I’m not crazy about the whole locking threads though, I’d prefer a friendly ‘warning’ or ‘heads up’ as a pm and then more direct approaches if it keeps happening. Locking threads just feels like “NO, you CANNOT CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION” which … I’m not too crazy about. Respectful and constructive discussions that get shut down randomly because they graze against a ‘touchy’ subject feels horrible.
Making sure people people don’t act like jack-***** - all for it
Locking down threads because they have half a toe into a subject that might be regarded as political - very against it
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[QUOTE=sekasi;2357223]That I don’t agree with however.
When people act in a way that isn’t suggested by the forum TOS, that’s what moderators are for.
I’m not crazy about the whole locking threads though, I’d prefer a friendly ‘warning’ or ‘heads up’ as a pm and then more direct approaches if it keeps happening. Locking threads just feels like “NO, you CANNOT CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION” which … I’m not too crazy about. Respectful and constructive discussions that get shut down randomly because they graze against a ‘touchy’ subject feels horrible.
Making sure people people don’t act like jack-***** - all for it
Locking down threads because they have half a toe into a subject that might be regarded as political - very against it
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Exactly. This isn’t a mod overhaul or anything. It’s just calling it as it is. It’s getting to be a less happy place to have fun and intelligent disctussion.
We can’t have intelligent discussion because all the intelligent threads get locked. Politics, religion, etc. It’s insane. People just need to stop being cry babies and suck it up. If they don’t like what DannyOnTheMoon has to say, leave the thread.
The only problem with the internet is that people can say whatever they want without consequence. If some people said some of the things in real life as they did on here, I’d punch them in the face.
IMO that’s not really a problem. That’s really the best thing about the internet, untethered freedom of speech. You have to take the bad with the good. People in the world are dying to say what they really think/feel, but there are few venues where this is possible. In many countries, it’s the only venue.
Besides, if you wanted to punch them badly enough, you could find 'em (tracert, packet sniffer, etc.); not to mention the fact that if they are big enough a-holes they will probably get punched by someone else soon enough.
Freedom of speech = okay
Acting like a **** without fearing a back eye = not okay
Acting like a **** without fearing a back eye = not okay
No disagreement there, but like I said, you gotta take the bad with the good. Speaking your feelings on oppression/religion/etc. in China without fearing having your family killed = super okay
Letting some d-bag be an anonymous d-bag in order to accomplish the former = priceless, I mean, okay
I think that Kirupa has already given his opinion on this a few times. I think that it has also been mentioned that kirupaForum isn’t really a place for free speech, just a place for free speech minus the things that Kirupa and the mods think is disruptive (or whatever term you want to use).
Here is one of Kirupa’s posts from a similar thread:
[QUOTE=kirupa;1845099]The problem is, who is to decide what makes a meaningful discussion? What I think is a meaningful discussion, someone else might take offense. We mods have better things to do than deal with accusations of political bias.
Political, religious, and controversial topics do not belong in forums because most posters are more willing to flame and insult somebody else over the internet than they would in person. The common courtesies that we use when disagreeing with people in the real world are, unfortunately, missing. Also, since the closing of Ordered, there have been few outbreaks of flame wars.
If there are issues with troublesome members taking their rage out in other forums because of their inability to discuss story from CNN, feel free to tell the mods. I haven’t seen that happening, which leads me to believe that closing Ordered was not only a good solution, but a great one! And I enjoy debating these issues…just not on the forums, and especially not in a tech/design forum such as this.
Good debate opens minds, not having it keeps them closed.
Colin, I agree, but it was tried with Ordered. It just did not work out, and many great members left because of heated disagreements with others regarding some particular issue.
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I don’t think it’s a big problem to have meaningful discussions as long as they don’t get out of hand. Some of the threads I saw closed were just because they got on the topic. I only think a thread should be locked once it gets out of hand in the following ways: A) the argument is in a stand still (aka going around in circles) or B) it just becomes a bash fest.
I would say there are a lot worse threads left open that serve no purpose besides to bash a new/younger member. I don’t think its right to keep those open and close the other that actually bring up intelligent and interesting topics.
[QUOTE=TheCanadian;2357242]The only problem with the internet is that people can say whatever they want without consequence. If some people said some of the things in real life as they did on here, I’d punch them in the face.[/QUOTE]
I’d say anything I say here (and do) in my regular non internet affiliated life.
So do I, and a lot of other people. But there’s also a lot of kiddies flipping their lids.
^ same for me, thats why I am not really the most popular among mods :lol:
I check many threads and have paused down posting in every place as not to raise an issue…
[quote=built_by;2357276]I don’t think it’s a big problem to have meaningful discussions as long as they don’t get out of hand. Some of the threads I saw closed were just because they got on the topic. I only think a thread should be locked once it gets out of hand in the following ways: A) the argument is in a stand still (aka going around in circles) or B) it just becomes a bash fest.
I would say there are a lot worse threads left open that serve no purpose besides to bash a new/younger member. I don’t think its right to keep those open and close the other that actually bring up intelligent and interesting topics.[/quote]I nominate built_by for mod’dom.
NO YOU ARE. I am so ANGRY YOU CANADIAN ARGH. 
Not that i am a random-hanger enough for anyone to care, but i have found the mods to be terrific at judging the overall tone of threads and trying to decide how much to let slip.
It kind of baffles me why people especially want to talk about politics/religion/etc here anyway as there are other places that are much more suited to it (and i’d rather think about that stuff with my non-forum peeps anyway) but even aside from that, i think it’s pretty clear that the ordered forum caused more trouble than was worth. Nowadays when these threads pop up, it’s not hard to see how people get hostile and the air becomes less pleasant very quickly, and so in my mind, it makes sense to restrict them.
but whatever. I’m perfectly happy using this as a design/tech/flash forum (with some occasional great Random finds!) and so used in that way, the forum is perfectly moderated to be friendly, happy and with plenty of sunshine. Now lets all sing kumbaya.