Just don’t complain if they get angry is all we’re saying… it’s going to happen. If it comes to them attacking you over it, I’d defend even you Phil, but he asked why people get worked up. That’s why.
So if I say this country sucks phor the way it’s treated me, a citizen, someone might get angry?
Yeah, some people might. They will call you a die hard self-centered liberalist. Depends who you tell it too…
But burning the flag is a more general statment of dislike towards a country.
(Keep in mind I support the freedom to burn the flag, its a healthy and useful freedom) [or maybe phreedom!]
Well, ask yourself, would your view be better off with your last statement to blind or without it? Just because you don’t agree with someone’s views, doesn’t exactly mean throw your diplomacy skills…out the window. I don’t think blind has called anybody names. You on the other hand have numerous times even after being warned by I and others. You really should put a control on that.
RB’s well-thought out response is a good example of how a good dissenting view can be formed here without resorting to name-calling and opinionating about a topic irrelevant to this discussion 
:sure:
to be fair kirupa i have posted well thought out responses many times to blind, but he either ignores them or circum-navigates them by going back to points we have already dealt with.
I dont easily get annoyed at people but blind is one of those people, and im my eyes his total lack of any attempt to understand or see any other view point is JUST AS OFFENSIVE as any ‘name calling’ which by the way i didnt…
I merely pointed out that i think blind has those traits in my opinion, name calling i have not done this is my HONEST opinion of him and i thought id tell him so.
On a side note i do apologise for breaking topic that I AM guilty of, but my annoyance toward blinds attitude rather spilled over from another thread to here. But i am not sorry for what i said, just should have said it in the other thread.
Ave, I don’t get you. I have an oppinion on what I think about flag burning. I don’t call you names. Why would I need banned? Because I don’t agree with you…who is the Nazi?
There are things you probably cannot unsderstand without serving in the military like why I think flag burning (ripping, throwing in the trash --thats to answer RB’s question) should be illegal. Another example is that soldier who trew a grenade in the officers tent. I think he should have been court marshelled and executed on site. He was not however I think because public citizens were too involed with news reports reporting in real time.
Look, I am saying all this from a military perspective and it has nothing to do with my politics. I think military and polotics should be kept as far apart as possilbe. I served in the military under Bill Clinton. I can’t stand Bill Clinton! I think he is one of the worst presidents we have had in 50 years. However, I erved under him to protect my country. Flag burning is not a political issue to me. It is not a free speech issue to me either. It is a military issue in my opinion.
For perspective, this is probably the most passionate issue I have responded to on this board, and I have tried very very hard to not get into personal fights with anyone here. If anyone sees I am getting out of control (except ave because I think he has a personal agenda) please let me know.
so because you, and those who have ‘served’ like you, all feel that no one should burn, etc, your flag, you feel you have the right to force that view on everyone by making law to say so?
Is that what this really boils down to? You wanting to make sure no one does anything to your flag that you don’t think is respectful?
How can you possibly live in America, spout Patriotism, and yet want to wipe out the 1st Amendment (have you read it recently? it is not only about freedom of speech).
I have but one last question for you:
When is a law needed to enforce when a symbol’s traditions become manditory? During Dictatorships, Monarchies, etc… for one.
You have been told by Kirupa himself how many times in this thread alone that you are breaking the rules with your insults? It is not just me saying it.
I might have almost been band by Phil, but you see he was band just after he almost did that to me, and he did do it to vulcan. I don’t see how someone overstepingn thier mod duties has any relivance to my opinions.
See my post in the other thread.
Also i see and here plenty of things i find offensive views wise so why shouldnt i give you my HONEST OPINION of you, where are the names i called you ? they are not names they are my opinions of you…there is a BIG difference
If you dont like my view of you then change my mind with your actions
*Originally posted by blindlizard *
**I am impossing my ideas on the world by having an opinion on kirupaforums? By that definition who here is not? **
wanting to legislate those views is imposing.
Not admitting when your views are skewed, and should not be made into law, is imposing.
Look up the word.
im·pose ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pz)
v. im·posed, im·pos·ing, im·pos·es
v. tr.
** 1. To establish or apply as compulsory; levy: impose a tax.**
2. To apply or make prevail by or as if by authority: impose a peace settlement. See Synonyms at dictate.
3. To obtrude or force (oneself, for example) on another or others.
4. Printing. To arrange (type or plates) on an imposing stone.
5. To offer or circulate fraudulently; pass off: imposed a fraud on consumers.
to force on others (#3), is not the only definition of the word. You, however, are guilty of all but #4, maybe #5 can be argued.
So insted of debating the topics we should just give our “honest” opinions of eachother? Believe me I have plenty of opinions of you, but I try to debate the topic not go down these attack paths.
You won’t debate the topic, you sidestep into minutia, whenever you get into a corner.
Yet, again, you change the subject.
So tell me. You agree that it is stupid to try to legislate respect. You also agree that flag burning is all about respect. Make your point then. [size=1]and no stupid Demo remark this time to sidestep the issue[/size]
Why should flag burning be illegal?
Let’s get back to the topic shall we?
Ok good back to the topic…
Like I said before “I think it should be every persons right who has worn a uniform to not see the flag burnt”
again you dodge the question.
One last time, before I take serious action. You have agreed to these points, please answer the question.
Given that flag burning is a show of disrespect, and that it is impossible to litigate respect, why should flag burning be illegal?
It is not impossible to litigate respect. We do just that with public deciency laws. What is any law but a show of respect really? Respect for property, respect for life, etc…
So how would you enforce such a law of respect? Then where do you draw the line of what is respectful? Look up any dictator, BL, see that they were all behind the same thing. Laws based on morality and respect.
and as you agreed above, decency laws will be gone soon, due to the fact you are trying to legislate morality/respect.
And again, you skirt the issue, and try to argue another point.
Do you wonder why you do not have 1 supporter on this forum? Do you wonder why no one here calls you a friend? Every single other person on this forum can say they do have a friend on the forum…
Should tell you something.
Are you going to answer my question above, or are you going to stop posting in Ordered? I don’t know how much more simple I can put it. I’m tired of your rabble rousing, soap box spouting, refusing to admit anything but your own rehearsed rhetoric, when there is no positive side to your being here.
What question am I skirting rev? And how do you know I don’t have any spporters on here? Has every person in kirupaville said hey reverendflash, I hate BL?
Cmon cmon, I think you guys are teasing each other cuz your in luve… :love:
*Originally posted by RussianBeer *
**Cmon cmon, I think you guys are teasing each other cuz your in luve… :love: **
Darn, you caught us. What better way for us to hide our affiar than to do this? :h: Come on rev, give me a hug :run: :bounce:
I do agree that moral laws will all be gone in time
I have to disagree with this statement because our laws are based on moral beliefs.
It is the laws that are immoral that will be gone in time….
I might have almost been band by Phil, but you see he was band just after he almost did that to me, and he did do it to vulcan.
Ha ha ha yeah I was banned by Phil for like 1 minute before Kirupa un-banned me.
This was followed by 5-6 PM’s from Phil swearing at me telling me how he would get rid of me and he would still be around….
I find this very amusing given where he is now.
Indecently after Phil finally admitted that it was a reflection on the building in front of the trade centre and not a missile flash. After he even posted photos of this stating how why didn’t everyone see this was a reflection before when it was right in front of us.
If you go to his site it is now once again being claimed it is a missile flash…
And after 20 posts in his thread I deleted them all except one, which had my picture showing how he was wrong…… He removed the picture !!!
Blind
I will also admit that I get frustrated with Blind and often feel that he is grasping at straws and hence tries to compare Oranges and Apples.
However Blind never resorts to name calling or making personal criticisms of other people.
So although I find Blind frustrating at times, as I am sure he finds me.
I have respect for him because he doesn’t make it personal when he is not getting his way.
I think a lot of people should think about that !
If this were a real debate and you made a comment about the other team, you would be out of the debate, and just lost it for your team.
So even when you are frustrated, I think people should think twice before they make a comment about someone else. It is really unprofessional and uncalled for………
Thanks for that vulcan. I know we hardly ever agree on anything. The only I can think of is that we both thought Phil’s 9/11 stuff was bonkers. Other than that we are on opposite sides of everything, yet we are able to debate our sides without acting like children.
