Linkin Park and Tool can’t be compared…to me they are too different.
Linkin Park rocks.
Tool rocks.
Anyone that knows LP’s history and the styles going in, will see the difference. They’ve got some awesome stuff that isn’t even played…
It’s the public that does it. People want image image image, so the labels give them that sacrificing the music.
Finger Eleven is wicked! I’ve been listening to those guys since the beginning.
Tool sucks!
Back to the Topic.
Tea Party as a band are extremly successfull, they are doing very well in the Canadian music world, and there is no reason they won’t make it in the USA.
I don’t think your Computer/Music works too well… Programers work with numbers, Artist work with art.
What would a musician be if they all did what other people told them to do.
Regardless, they would have made money if they played how they wanted to, they are doing it in Canada. But they where not going to start playing what the Record Label wants them too, and there is no way I am going to blame them for it.
Unless you make music on your computer muahaha. I love all types of music and enjoy making it. Live/Electronic…whathaveya.
To the creator of this thread, how much does your friend know about Tool? I agree about Linkin Park’s music being formulaic. All I’ve heard from them is the same old songs you always hear. The singers are always whinging, then the music builds up to the loud chorus bit and they start shouting and it continues. I’ve listened to the first CD years ago and from what I’ve heard from the newer one, it’s pretty much what I described. But hey, that’s my opinion!
As for the original question, I don’t think marketing has overpowered quality music. You just have to look for that quality music in the right places. On the Internet, in local CD shops (that aren’t just selling the “Top 40” albums), word of mouth? I’ve found some pretty cool bands that I would never have thought I would find or even start listening to that way. Someone mentioned something about the Tea Party not being known outside Canada? I’ve heard the name and a bit of the music so Australian Triple J (radio station) listeners know who they are! :+)
Oh and billmarr, how much do you know about Tool and their music?
It’s really difficult to respond too so many painful statements to read. When it comes down to it, you can’t say a band sucks or is great. I didn’t say Lincoln Park sucks, I said they lack creativity and are formulaic. If that is your kind of thing, go buy the cd. As for proof of this fact, count the measures for their different progressions, and pay attention to the length and content of the key points of their songs. i.e. intro, verse, chorus, bridge, and outro. The compnents are almost always the same length, and use very similar chord types and voicings.
*Originally posted by billmarr *
**All bands are fake to some degree. Music is a business! **
This is a total load of crap. There is a disturbing amount of bands that are fake, but that is because those groups do it for the wrong reason. Music is an art, and subsequently about personal expression. Doing music with the primary goal to make money is called selling out. Marz, using a marketing agent to become popular is retarded. Either a bands music has the chops or it doesn’t. Paying someone to tell the world you play good music is pathetic, in the most literal dictionary definition sense.
To reply to you TOOL, I agree with you mostly. It just really saddens me the good bands need to be hunted for, and do not gain popularity through the goodness that is their creation. I too have found some great hidden bands off the beaten trail. AS for my friend? He knows far too little about Tool to make the statement he did, and I’ll work on educating him. There are some replying to this thread who could prolly use a little musical education too…
I’ve listened to the progressions, scales, bridges, choruses, and I’ve been playing drums for years, guitar for years, and compose music myself. Linkin Park’s theory is airtight.
If you notice the songs being played on the radio follow a similar pattern…and did you know they don’t pick what is played on the radio? Their mainstream songs follow a pattern because the music execs and promoters and Radio Station managers are following a pattern.
Their style blend is amazing. The ReAnimation collaboration was amazing as well.
Marz, using a marketing agent to become popular is retarded.
Do you know anything about business?
Do you want to make thousands of dollars a year compared to millions?
Now, I know it isn’t about the money all the time… But if you market yourself correctly, you can set yourself up in the long run to do the music that you “want” to do. It sounds like you are selling out… But if you want to make it big… Learn how to take some blows… You can’t stay in a stubborn point of mind all your life, it won’t get you anywhere.
Now… This is what I love… So what would happen if one of your favorite local bands, say… for me Local H… Say… They weren’t making alot of money in the local gigs and everything… But they were extremely good… Thye just couldn’t live off the money they were getting.
Say… They had the chance to make a couple of thousands dollars by changing their style of music and doing that for a year…
Would you continue to listen to them or would you throw away their cds and say they “sold out”… Just because they needed the money to live? or… Would you wait for a year when they got themselves back up on their feet and they played the music that they use to play?
Now… I agree that LP’s music and songs are formulaic but, some people enjoy it and they have sold alot of copies with the style.
Music is indeed an art… But unfortunately, America is a business now. If you don’t make money in some way, shape or form… You are going to do a nosedive and you will have a hard time surviving… And it just keeps getting worse and worse as the years move on.
I myself hate money… I wish it were never invented… And I wish we would be able to listen to music without having to hear a band change their style just to make a quick buck…
But, it won’t happen within the next so many years… And I can only see this becoming worse… and worse… as the times go on…
Now… I myself wish my local bands would be heard across the country as well… But without marketting… word of mouth and just informing… doesn’t seem like enough… And… Nobody wants to market a small local band unless they “know” it’ll make them money… Which SUCKS… Because most of the big wigs are “pop cultured” instead of “music theorists”
*Originally posted by Marz *
**Do you know anything about business?
But if you want to make it big… Learn how to take some blows…
Say… They had the chance to make a couple of thousands dollars by changing their style of music and doing that for a year…
Would you continue to listen to them or would you throw away their cds and say they “sold out”… Just because they needed the money to live? or… Would you wait for a year when they got themselves back up on their feet and they played the music that they use to play?
**
What about artistic integrity? I wouldn’t through out the old CD’s, but I definitely wouldn’t support them. Even if they changed back, they sold their soul, and it’s difficult to write good music without a soul.
*Originally posted by Marz *
** And I wish we would be able to listen to music without having to hear a band change their style just to make a quick buck…
**
There are a lot of good bands that don’t change their style to make a quick buck. The more you ignore the bands that do sell out, the less profitable it will be for them to do so.
This gets to my personal opinion. It is unfortunate that marketing has become so important. The only thing more tragic is so many bands buy into it. Great musicians don’t need to. Rage Against the Machine signed with a label because the label gave into everyone of their demands. They didn’t change there style of music for a year or two. They did their thing and was recognized for their talent. It is unfortunate that it takes that level of talent to get noticed, but if the talent is there, the music is there, a band will arrive.
I agree, Rage Against the Machine was an unbelievable band. Audioslave is better IMO, but Rage is so good when you’re in a certain mood.
Onto LP’s music. I agree with you all, some songs are very similar. But if you pick the songs apart, you realize that they are similar in some aspects, but very different in others. Listen to Numb, and then Breaking the Habit. It seems at least 5-6 songs on each of their CDs follows a same style, followed by 2-3 hip hop songs, and instrumental, and one song thats totally different. If you ask me, its the perfect mix. Also, In The End was a fantastic song that was ruined by what some could say was too good a marketing tactic. It was so overplayed it lost all its meaning to me for a while, even though it was such a good song. Listen to Reanimation. Very nice orchestra’s included, its so soothing.
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