*Originally posted by RenaissanceGirl *
**And PC users don’t have access to well-known Mac apps like iLife suite and a slew of little random, fun apps. It’s a give and take. **
but there are PC apps that do what the iLife suite does (though they dont “work seemlessly together”) and are free… and nothing in iLife replaces any of the forementioned apps.
*Originally posted by reverendflash *
**If money was no object, an outrageous Mac system I would have…
::drools::
**
Mmm as would I… that would be nice
iLife = iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, and iDvd.
It is free, except for iDvd… that’s really what you’re paying for when you buy iLife. But it’s only $49, which is really good for software.
And you are right - you can find PC counterparts for these applications, but they really aren’t as intuitive or well designed. Take iTunes for example. Sure you can download Winamp for free and play your music just like everyone else, but it is missing a lot of the usability and organization features that I love about iTunes. In addition, Mac applications work seamlessly with hardware - I wish I could say the same about PC, but after downloading so many drivers/security patches and countless trips to Fry’s, I really can’t.
It depends on your dev style. I do alot of 3d and have come to love my pc because of the availablity of software. We all know that pcs dominate the market and wont change in our lifetimes. Also I do ASP so that is native to pc. If you ask me mac has not goten rid of their suck factor yet but I do test on them since they are out there. That is why they make everything so cutesy to try to stay abreast in the market.
Good argument in terms of 3D. Now I’m not saying that Macs are the perfect all-in-one machine and you should all throw out your PCs. I’m just saying the PCs are NOT your perfect all-in-one machines and that the Mac is superior to the PC in SOME areas.
But Mac doesn’t stay afloat because they happen to come in a more attractive package than beige. If this was such a bad idea, than why did the PC world follow suite (as always) by paying more attention to case design and even to the point of forming geek bragging rights groups. Mac external designs are functional. Take the iMac for example. It’s the entire system crammed into one piece (with the exception of the mouse and keyboard ofcourse). The chrome bar holding the flat-panel doubles as a handle. This is good stuff for nomads like myself! The G4 towers - more handles and curves for ergonomic function as well as a “trap door” for easy access to the innards. Ok, so they threw a little color into the mix. It’s really not a big deal - I know that’s not why I would purchase a Mac.
Again, I’m not saying it’s the perfect machine. I already said if you were a huge gamer, the Mac is definitely not for you.
If money was no object, an outrageous Mac system I would have…
Excellent argument rev (even if you weren’t really debating with us here). Steve Jobs does like to shake the change from my pockets!
Ehhhemm… After clearing my throat… Lemme begin the ever lasting trial of PC vs MAC…
Why? Cause I have had both of them… And where am I today?
PC : WOnderful condition…
MAC : Smashed to heavanly pieces…
First off… The Mac Colors supposably reigned first? Not! Alienware and other companies have been using colors before all this imac bullcrap and the stuff before it. Now… The clear design with it… Yeah… But personally… I don’t like my computer having pastel tones… 
Just kidding btw… I actually like the MAc colors… And correct me if I might be wrong about the Aleinware thing… Cause I still remember having old PC Gamers with them in.
As for me wanting a brand new MAC? Well… Would it really be worth the exorborant amount of extra money it would cost?! I just upgraded my PC to a Pent 4 1.7 ghz with 512 mb of RAM and a new Radeon 9000 128 meg vid card… for… $400 for the parts…
I’d like to see a Macintosh do that 
But then again… if yuou allowed secondary components in a Macintosh it too would have problems with hardware as well… When you think about the PC world and what goes in alot of computers… It’s a royal pain to think about… All the types of vid cards from different companies… You can have intel or amd or other motherboards and don’t even go into the cd-roms or memory chips… Of course you are going to have hardware problems… But at least I know that if a part got destroyed or needed replaced… I’d have a million things to choose from.
Now… I’m not going to totally MAC Bash… WHy? Cause I actually don’t midn the system in all truths… It is a well rounded system for those of us out there who does not ant to bother with components and just wants a computer to do things on and that’s it… Actually it’s the perfect family computer. I’ll admit that… For what a family would do… It’s perfect for that…
But… For the gamers/programmers/designers (yes I said designers…) stick with the pc… Ohh And the budget sensitive… Which classifies most of us probably…
Why designers though… Hmm Well… What is design centering around alot lately? 3D and Internet… And which system reigns in both of these courts? PC
If I had enough money to buy a top of the line Mac… Would I? No… I’d buy a top of the line PC, 2 monitors and take the rest of the money and buy myself a brand new computer desk and computer chair. Then maybe some extra programs to run on it… But… If I had some leftover money… I’d buy a mac to toy around with.
Blah blah blah… Yadda yadda yadda… I don’t hate Macs… Please don’t think that… But in a world where money is tight and options are wanted… PC’s just work out.
sooo… how about dem bucks…
lmao
First off… The Mac Colors supposably reigned first? Not! Alienware and other companies have been using colors before all this imac bullcrap and the stuff before it. Now… The clear design with it… Yeah… But personally… I don’t like my computer having pastel tones… Just kidding btw… I actually like the MAc colors… And correct me if I might be wrong about the Aleinware thing… Cause I still remember having old PC Gamers with them in.
Macs aren’t just colorful and “pretty.” As I said previously - the designs are more about function. They don’t just have nicely dremelled windows on the side of the tower with a colorful LED inside to show the fan rotating, spray-painted in varying colors, ala Alienware. It’s ergonomically designed. It’s something even hard-core anti-Mac-ers can appreciate.
As for me wanting a brand new MAC? Well… Would it really be worth the exorborant amount of extra money it would cost?! I just upgraded my PC to a Pent 4 1.7 ghz with 512 mb of RAM and a new Radeon 9000 128 meg vid card… for… $400 for the parts…
I know this - you can build a PC from scratch for $400. But how long will it be until you have to replace that - especially since Windows requires more and more power with each upgrade. This is how Microsoft and Intel rub eachother’s back - perpetual upgrade = huge sums of money for both companies. Are you thinking total cost of ownership there? How much tech support, replacement parts will you be needing in, oh, the next 3 years?
And I don’t even have to say it as you already have: there are millions of PC part/accessory companies out there but the only presents more conflict issues. How is this a plus argument for the PC? Why would Apple take this route as it clearly isn’t cost-effective in the long run for consumers? Yes you’d have millions to choose from, but how many of the millions will actually work with what you’ve got (and you have to think compatibility with just about every single part here).
Why designers though… Hmm Well… What is design centering around alot lately? 3D and Internet… And which system reigns in both of these courts? PC
Last time I checked, designing isn’t all about 3D. 3D rendering is only a fraction of the design realm. And by internet do you mean surfing the internet or designing for the internet. Let’s see… yup, IE, Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, and the new Safari all work on the Mac - surfing the net, no problem. If you must mean designing, then you must mean Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, etc… Last time I checked, those work fantastically on the Mac (minus random BSOD temper tantrums. Lastly, asp isn’t the only option… what about PHP, CGI, Perl? What about OSX’s fusion with Unix? Windows-users aren’t the only ones switching…
RenaissanceGirl must not like sports
{Edited by Rengirl}: You didn’t say anything wrong that needed to be edited. I was just a tool and hit “Edit” instead of “Quote” and deleted what it was you said… eek sorry! If you remember what it was you wrote here, please help a mod out and put it back!
-Rengirl
*Originally posted by 3d-iva *
**Can we all just get along. **
NEVER 
take this :trout: and this :trout:
…i saved this thread from utter anahilation!! sees unruly mob gathering
UH oh…time to run!!! :beam: :bounce:
I don’t hate PCs… and I’m not trying to convert anyone here… just trying to uncover these Mac myths I’m a relatively new Mac user and doing this is a learning process for me too.
Again, I am fortunate enough to have both and I find different uses for both.
It depends on your dev style
That’s the best quote here.
sen: I was rooting for the bucs partially because I didn’t want the raiders to win. A was very surprised by their performance… it was an excellent game. A lot of people must have lost money
thanx for all :trout:
but i want to say something, i’m an old user of MAC … it’s very nice system and easy to deal with but in the work nothing else…
my main work in printing so i think it’s good for this operation but in others like ( web design, develop…) all things about web i think PC is the TOP for this.
the beautiful thing in MAC it’s the system if your system crashed it
so simple to recreate it and go back to your work no reinstall for all software… :beam: this is the beautiful in MAC and of course the speed… but now i think PC has a lot of good speed.
anyway i want to ask about the best RAM i can get. =)
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*Originally posted by 3d-iva *
**{Edited by Rengirl}: You didn’t say anything wrong that needed to be edited. I was just a tool and hit “Edit” instead of “Quote” and deleted what it was you said… eek sorry! If you remember what it was you wrote here, please help a mod out and put it back!
-Rengirl **
Hhahahahaha…I dont even remember…its cool tho
Crap! I’m such a tool… and there was something in there I wanted to quote too… 
For ram, I don’t skimp and buy generics (bad experience). My systems like Kingston or Micron.
curious what is a tool?? I mean in the sense of how you are using it.
In the terms RenniGirl is using, “tool” means an ‘idiot’ pretty much.
I did the same thing the other day. I was trying to quote someone and I completely deleted what they said…
a tool is someone who is easily (or is) used and manipulated by someone else. A master-slave relationship… puppeting… a dupe
OOOOOHHHHHHH…eye c…gotcha.
btw its usually used in insult
“You actually drove him to Philly? You’re such a tool.”
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Well… Lemme put it this way about the millions of computer parts ren…
What kind of donuts do you like? Maybe Chocolate With Sprinkles… or Creme Filled… Suppose that your company only brought you in Glazed… But you didn’t like them… But that’s all you can get because you don’t wnat to go buy your own… So you are forced to deal with them the way they are… But… Another company comes and takes your order for what you want… This way you can get exactly what you are looking for, even though it might cause the delivery guy some trouble remembering all the different types. Sometimes the order gets screwed up… but in the end… It all works out…
I have a computer downstairs running Windows 98, AMD K-6 233 mhz… And it runs everything perfectly fine… I still use this when using Flash MX and Borland’s C++. I’ve had that computer for 6-8 years now (forget the actual date… But it’s old)… I’ve enver needed a replacement part and it’s never crashed on me. I don’t think I’ve ever called a tech support line in my lifetime…
Now… There are updates out there for me to put Window’s XP on the computer… BUT… They aren’t forcing them down my throat. Of course for the Window’s 95 users will have problems but that’s an extremely outdated system… It’s the same reason that some software won’t run on the old Macintosh’s… Everything evolves…
Now… As for the new look of Macs… Yeah… I told you I liked the look… It’s not for me… But I can see it’s functionability…
I used to get Mac Addicts all the time… And they used to do comparison’s amongst the newest PC’s and the newest Mac’s… I still have a bunch of issues down in the basement as well. Thus I know what the Mac’s are like when compared to the PC’s…
Good Debate though… I don’t think it really matters…
Take Care
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