How can you possibly argue this thread without beliefs? And by you saying I can’t is YOU imposing your beliefs on me! Do you see the hypocracy?
so back up your beliefs with facts. I’ve read books on evidence against evolution…
I didn’t say anything about my beliefs, so how can I be imposing them on you?
Rev
You are telling me I cannot “debate” a certain way. You cannot backup with facts that it is immorral for me to debate using my beliefs over scientifict fact. By your definition of imposing that is it.
basic rules of debating is all…
theology discussions are different than debates.
I never said it was immoral for you to do anything, why do you continue to take my words and impose your own interpretation of them?
Rev
what is imposing then, please define it for me because I obviously do not understand.
I also never said what my beliefs are, so I can’t imose my views on anyone…
You are the one who is assuming what my views are…
Rev
You continue to say things I have posted are imposing my beliefs. Therefore you must know what you think imposing means. Otherwise I will just assume impossing means stating fact and go with that 
Main Entry: im·pose
Pronunciation: im-'pOz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): im·posed; im·pos·ing
Etymology: Middle French imposer, from Latin imponere, literally, to put upon (perfect indicative imposui), from in- + ponere to put – more at POSITION
Date: 1581
transitive senses
1 a : to establish or apply by authority <impose a tax> <impose new restrictions> <impose penalties> b : to establish or bring about as if by force <those limits imposed by our own inadequacies – C. H. Plimpton>
2 a : PLACE, SET b : to arrange (as pages) in the proper order for printing
3 : PASS OFF <impose fake antiques on the public>
4 : to force into the company or on the attention of another <impose oneself on others>
intransitive senses : to take unwarranted advantage of something <imposed on his good nature>
- im·pos·er noun
because by stating your beliefs as fact, you are forcing your views on others. A belief is not a fact.
Rev
I believe that if I throw somthing in the air that it will fall down. Is that not a fact and something I believe?
Also, is it “wrong” to impose something?
you believe it will fall because it is a fact that gravity will make it fall… not because you have ‘faith’ that it will fall…
Yes, it is wrong to impose something. Especially something so personal as one’s relationship with one’s creator…
If I were on here exposing the beliefs of Druids as facts, you would be telling me that I am imposing my views on you, and to stop it…
Rev
*Originally posted by Phil Jayhan *
**Sure they are Rev… :sigh:
Not that this wilkl accomplish anything in this merry-goround of a thread…But I don’t agree with you Rev. A belief can be a phact;
Phact; Christ lived, and died. Christ died phor MY sins. Christ rose. Just because this might not meet your ‘threshhold phor belief’ doesn’t make it any less phactual.
And when I state my beliefs as phacts, I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone still. They are still phree to reject it, they are not ‘compelled’ to believe it, there is ‘no imposition of my beliefs’
So, on this merry-go-round ride, I respectphully disagree. Stick that in your smipe and poke it…
pj :P:P:P **
but they aren’t facts just because you say they are Phil…
If that were true, just think of what ‘facts’ Saddam has been saying…
all beliefs can’t be facts, or else they would contridict each other. That is why they are still beliefs…
Rev
What is fact? It is something has has been tested and so far works every time. There have been many facts that have been later disproven. So, to say just because I believe something that you don’t accept my proof of doesn’t make it any less factual.
but you haven’t given any facts… just that you believe this is true.
Show me a fact that has been disproven. Theories can be disproven… Ideas can be disproven…
By definition, if it is disproven, it wasn’t a fact to begin with…
Rev
Phact; Christ lived, and died. Christ died phor MY sins. Christ rose. Just because this might not meet your ‘threshhold phor belief’ doesn’t make it any less phactual.
No you believe he existed and died for you, that is cool each to his own…
That does not make it a fact, thats a stupid argument.
A fact is something which is proven beyond shadow of doubt with evidence.
The only evidence for your statement is your belief in a religious text.
In essence very little is factual in this world as most ‘facts’ are quite different when viewed from an opposing standpoint.
I can say factually that it is likely based on many historical occurences/evidence of such a person, that a man who became known/viewed as jesus christ probably existed.
Wether he was the son of some god, a prophet a philsopher or activist, or just the product of fiction is all open to speculation , which is all your are doing.
speculation even educated speculation is not a fact.
EDIT: note i am not knocking your beliefs, i have no problem with them at all, but to say its fact is just a bit much i felt.
