to impose your views about your product, yes you do.
If you pay for advertising time during the SuperBowl, you can impose your views on a whole bunch of people.
That said however, you are still imposing your views on others, whethere you have paid for that right or not.
Rev
*Originally posted by reverendflash *
your faith is the reason con men survive.
hmm. I am not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that people who have faith are easy targets for cons, then i would have to say that this is not always the case. Have you ever found it easy to convince religious people of anything??? I thought religious people were typically considered closed minded.
No, more often people who are dissatisfied with their current beliefs are likely to be tricked by ‘cons’. People with firm faiths do not fit into this category.
If however, you mean that cons only fool anyone because their tactics resemble those of valid religions, so they can sneak by the ‘logic boundary’ in people’s minds, then you are right.
The best way to deceive is to imitate the truth. Belief in God requires faith. This does not mean all scams that call for faith come from God.
People with faith are not people who do not use logic at all. They are people who know when to use logic and when to use faith. They are both essential to any search for truth, and one is not an alternative to the other.
If abused, faith puts a leak in the scietific method. It can be used as a shortcut, and an excuse. Faith is powerful, and as a result it is dangerous. So is oxygen.
I think the good outways the bad. Faith enables many people to escape the meaninglessness of life. Faith gives people a reason to be kind to each other, and to take care of those less fortunate. Besides, we are right and you are wrong.
Even if there was only one good thing that ever happened as a result of faith, and there were 331 zillion bad things, the chance that the Bible might be right should be enough to let faith at least deserve consideration.
Think about it. If you have a condition that will place you in agony for eternity, effective next Tuesday, unless a certain procedure is performed now, and the surgery is risky, how can that risk possibly compare to the risk of ignoring the surgeon in the hopes that he is just con man?
I thought this forum was intended for discussion… If I am ‘imposing’, let me know and I will go discuss elsewhere.
So in a free society I don’t have the right to think of feel without the constent of anyone I hold in that thought or feeling unless I have paid money to a media outlet to advertise? So, if I write kirupa a check then I can impose my thoughts/feelings on you all I want here? Hey kirupa, where do I mail the check.
I guess I was wrong in thinking that we lived in a country where anyone could think, feel or even speak anything they wanted. If I had know it was the way you think it is rev, I never would have dawned the uniform I did for so many years.
but by you assuming that there is an eternity for me to worry about is imposing your views of doom on me…
If a certain portion of humanity is right, then the Bible is a good story, and you have wasted a ton of time worshiping a God, when you could have been out in the world improving the quality of life for others…
Don’t you see how by you assuming that everyone believes in an afterlife, you are skewing the entire equation?
Rev
I don’t assume everyone belives in an afterlife. However, I do and I think it is my duty to convey that to non-believers. What you do with what I say is your business, but what I do with my thoughts and feelings is mine.
And, how can you think that just because I belive in God that I am not out in the world helping others of any faith/non-faith?
again, you pick out a word and run with it… I see a pattern forming here.
Where did I say that you weren’t helping others? Please, please show me … I have not made this personal, yet you continue to personalize it…
and the afterlife statement was toward clownstaples’ post, not yours.
By you thinking it is your obligation to inform others of your views, you are imposing your views on others. Don’t you agree?
and yes, if you get someone to accept money for you to advertise your views, you can say what you want, as long as the guy selling you that ad space agrees. That is between you and the person selling the advert space.
Rev
*Originally posted by reverendflash *
**but by you assuming that there is an eternity for me to worry about is imposing your views of doom on me…
If a certain portion of humanity is right, then the Bible is a good story, and you have wasted a ton of time worshiping a God, when you could have been out in the world improving the quality of life for others…
Don’t you see how by you assuming that everyone believes in an afterlife, you are skewing the entire equation?
Rev **
I said the chance that there is an afterlife. Im not going to force you to consider that possibility, and if you dont want to, you dont have to participate in this discussion. But Im saying that if you consider the possibility, then it has a lot of weight, and skews the equation very much!! If the idea is correct it is of utmost importance, if it is not, its worse than nonsense: it’s dangerous.
The Bible is not a good story. 90% of it was written by people who honestly believed the first 10%. If they were wrong, then everything they said is dispicable propaganda that causes people to go on imposing sprees.
And how can you say I am being imposing? You have the right not to read this! Can we PLEASE discuss the question and not discuss the discussion.
Where did I say that you weren’t helping others?
here
and you have wasted a ton of time worshiping a God, when you could have been out in the world improving the quality of life for others…
By you thinking it is your obligation to inform others of your views, you are imposing your views on others. Don’t you agree?
No, I think that is free speech wich is protected by the first amendment.
I think we need to get down to brass tax. I hold the following as fact: In America we have the write to think, feel, say, write, produce, distribute, believe, convey, etc… anything we want. That means anything. If I think you are the devil (which I do not) then I have the right to say that, think that, whatever. However, if you can prove what I have said to be inncorrect yet I have continued to copitulate that then you can take to me court for slander/lible. However, if what I have said / writen / felt has not harmed you then I am free to continue “spreading” my thoughts. That is freedom and that is protected by the Constitution of the United States. That means I can say it anywhere for anyone to hear regardless of who I have paid for the “space”. In addition, I am free to think anything. I can think you have 3 arms, even if you do not and can prove you do not in a court of law, I still have the right to think it.
*Originally posted by blindlizard *
**here
No, I think that is free speech wich is protected by the first amendment. **
Man, you love to pick out selective words out of context don’t you. Maybe you should work in advertising…
what I said was:
If a certain portion of humanity is right, then the Bible is a good story, and you have wasted a ton of time worshiping a God, when you could have been out in the world improving the quality of life for others…
note the words If a certain portion of humanity is right
it is a hypothetical situation… you know, like you use in basic science to illustrate your point?
I said nothing to personalize anything.
clownstaples:
**The Bible is not a good story. 90% of it was written by people who honestly believed the first 10%. If they were wrong, then everything they said is dispicable propaganda that causes people to go on imposing sprees.
And how can you say I am being imposing? You have the right not to read this! Can we PLEASE discuss the question and not discuss the discussion.
**
Show me the proof where we know that the Bible is fact. By you responding to this thread, you are asking me to read your post (it is difficult to unread something after the fact). By reading your views which you claim as fact, you have just imposed your views on me, and are implying that you are a better person because of your faith.
Rev
*Originally posted by reverendflash *
clownstaples:
**
Show me the proof where we know that the Bible is fact. By you responding to this thread, you are asking me to read your post (it is difficult to unread something after the fact). By reading your views which you claim as fact, you have just imposed your views on me, and are implying that you are a better person because of your faith.
Rev **
So are you. But ok, if I’m offending you…
I appologize if I have teken anything you have said out of context.
but Rev, I don’t think you understand American law. clownstaples can say anything he wishes anywhere he wishes it. It is not an impossition to say things. If he came ove to you and threatend persoanl harm if you didn’t believe what he did then that would be an imposition. He is free to say what he wants just as you are free not to read it.
but once read, it is impossible to unread.
I didn’t say it was illegal… I just said you are imposing your views.
That, I believe is wrong, for one person to do to another. I believe it is morally reprehensible to even inquire or assume about someones relationship with their creator…
Rev
Then by your definition saying anything one feels on this board is morally wrong, or even feeling it is wrong.
but once read, it is impossible to unread.
Then stop reading…news flash people are going to voice thier opionions on web based message boards.
*Originally posted by clownstaples *
**So are you. But ok, if I’m offending you… **
I did not say I was not imposing my views by posting in this thread. ever…
I also never said anythign about being offended.
I just want you guys to understand that you are imposing your views whenever you spontaneously voice your religious views as facts… they are not facts, just your views.
Rev
So, it is morally wrong for me to say some television show was the funniest thing ever. It may be fact, but it cannot be proven. That is wrong and should be ban from discussing on this board?
*Originally posted by blindlizard *
**Then stop reading…news flash people are going to voice thier opionions on web based message boards. **
again, you pick on an irrelevant part of my post.
You guys are saying that you aren’t imposing your views on others…
You are stating your views as facts, when they simply are not facts, rather than beliefs…
Rev
So this entire thread should be removed because you cannot discuss Creation vs. Evolution without “imposing” your views.
I did not say that. Man, you love to put words in my mouth. I always heard that Austin was fairly cool, but that must be relative… j/k
When you argue with facts, it is a debate. When you argue with beliefs, it is an arguement.
Rev
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