*Originally posted by snorkyfrog2 *
**well, of course! once you choose belief rather than logic and reason for your worldview, you can label things however you want. the rules no longer apply! **
(A) i think there is a pink dragon in my garage.
of course it doesnt seem out of the ordinary (to myself) to believe that, because im used to it
but making impersonal judgement, of the claim itself, I would have to say that it IS extraordinary, because there are very few people who ALSO think there is a pink dragon in my garage.
however…
(B) i think there is a god
of course it doesnt seem out of the ordinary (to myself) to believe that, because im used to it
but making impersonal judgement, of the claim itself, I would have to say that it IS NOT extraordinary, because there are very MANY people who ALSO think there is a god.
*Originally posted by snorkyfrog2 *
**“I can still reject them as nonsense because extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof” **
i still hold that the claim cannot be “rejected as extraordinary” as you say. You should at least agree that the question is valid for discussion.
God does not exist simply because the Bible says He exists.
That is the wrong order entirely. If we agree that there is a god, we can discuss whether the Bible is written by men or by Him.
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i hate to quote myself, but the issue is the existence of God,
you basically just said,
the Bible contains extraordinary things, so God doesnt exist.
i said earlier that i thought the claim was an ordinary one based on the number of people who make it. I know thats a bad reason to believe something, but i still think it is a valid reason to withhold it from being “dismissed as nonsense”.
but,
i will not claim that god is ordinary. i guess i believe in extraordinary things! wow, i dont feel so narrow minded anymore.
DONT start knocking ‘belief’ again. Ill prove you believe in something if you make me. Everyone does.
but back on subject,
so, give me an example explanation for the origin of the universe that only uses everyday ordinary occurences.
Look snorky, if you are looking for answers then you need to talk to God. Religion and the Bible aren’t going to answer all the question you might have. All the Bible promisses to bring you are the answer to the questions that God found necessary for you to hear. Scientists will still be there to explain to you how a plant photosythesises (sp?) but they never will explain to you why that happens.
One thing my wife always tells me is: “You never hear of the life saving attributes of atheisim.”
Your right rev, you could say all those things. All I am saying is there are things “sience” will never explain, and that is where faith comes in. You continue down your faith and I will mine and hopfully we can both live successful, happy, fruitful lives.
I was just saying that religions have a neato way of making statements which cannot be proven either right or wrong, and then walk away with a smug look on their faces…
*Originally posted by reverendflash *
**I was just saying that religions have a neato way of making statements which cannot be proven either right or wrong, and then walk away with a smug look on their faces…
Sounds like a con to me…
Rev **
Exactly and that is faith. God allows us to choose our own path, but it wouldn’t be much of a choice if He gave us all the answers.
Choice keeps con men in business? My faith tells me to spread the word of God, but everyone is free to go their own path, and I will not stop them. I am fully aware that con men have used God’s word to con people, but that does not make God a con. If your faith tells you that God is a con and to run away, then take off. I only hope you find your answes and happieness, and my faith tells me you will find it in God sometime.
but, you are never going to find facts on things like why we exist. You may find how human life came to be, but never why. Don’t get to caught up in trying to escape a con that you can’t enjoy all that you have.
I enjoy everything I have every moment of every day.
That sounded so arrogant! Like just because you feel you know God, you know more enjoyment that someone who doesn’t.
That… is imposing your views on others.
You also assume that I don’t have a relationship with a God (yes, it is possible there could be more than one). That is an assumption you can’t make without knowing me…
That sounded so arrogant! Like just because you feel you know God, you know more enjoyment that someone who doesn’t.
I never said that someone that doesn’t know God doesn’t know enjoyment. All I said was that I am happy because I know God. And because of that happieness, I wish to spread what I know. If you found some new product that brought you happieness, would you not tell others? You don’t tell them because you think they are unhappy, but because you want them to expierence the feeling you have recieved. Same applies here.
