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you can edit videos well with finalcutPro
then you can slit your writs for the god of " Anti-Windows-but-for-no-good-reason"
XUL apps on OS X suck! 
Don’t use Thunderbird. It’s butt ugly.
I hate that too! We should start a cult! 
In order to get anything at all out of any operating system, you pretty much have to suspend the temptation to compare it to other systems.
Most of the time, limitations are in the mind of the user.
ie: you’ll drive yourself insane, and get very little done, trying to get WinXP to function like OSX, or vise-versa.
You have to give your self a good month on the mac to get used to it, try out all the little apps etc. Once you get used to it, you never want to go back.
[ot][quote=snickelfritz;2329211]In order to get anything at all out of any operating system, you pretty much have to suspend the temptation to compare it to other systems.
Most of the time, limitations are in the mind of the user.
ie: you’ll drive yourself insane, and get very little done, trying to get WinXP to function like OSX, or vise-versa.[/quote]With a few quick tweaks you can simply add what you want though. Theres usually always someone that fixed it so it works like the other.[/ot]
[quote=Jeff Wheeler;2329177]XUL apps on OS X suck! 
Don’t use Thunderbird. It’s butt ugly.[/quote]
That can be fixed with a skin unlike any other Email client :lol: again just because it looks nice don’t mean it works, Thunderbird happens to do all I need it to do all in one app instead of 3 
Jeff, windows can get those: “ and ” , ‘ and ’
But, then again, I suppose its easier to get those on a mac. I have to hold down ‘ALT’ and enter a 4 digit code
OS X native
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[] Terminal - native unix/linux command support as well as integrated ssh support, no need to install a gimpy version of PuTTy, gzip and tar anyone, mmm mmm mmmm
[] Spotlight
[] Time Machine - currently there is no backup program for Windows that will unobtrusively backup your WHOLE system. At least not one that comes w/ the system
[] Spaces
[] Expose - and it doesn’t require you to use a resource intensive skin to make it work
[] Mail.app - Unlike grim I personally don’t care that you MAY have to launch 3 seperate programs. The fact is that Mail.app on OS X is so heavily integrated into OS X and many OS X applications that it’s worth it. It’s is also 10x more flexible than Thunderbird when it comes to permissions and rules, without having to install a bagillion addons. I personally prefer Mail.app over almost any Mail.app I’ve used, and I use Thunderbird on my PC.
[] Screen Capture
[] Droplets - if your clients have OS X this is a gem for them
[] QUICKLY mounts external media, almost everything is plug and play, doesn’t have to “Search for a driver”, in hopes that it can actually find one.
[] QuickLook
[] very fast user switching
[] “presentation mode” - You can keep a your os your screen while projecting ONLY your application or presentation to another monitor or white board, with out the end users seeing exactly what you’re doing.
[] If you have a MacBook or MBP, when you close the flippin lid it actually goes to sleep, and when you open it back up it actually wakes the f** back up.
[] 32bit and 64bit support 
[] What’s defrag?
[] VNC
[] Don’t have to worry about the Y2K bug :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHJkAYdT7qo
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3rd party things:
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[] Transmit
[] TextMate
[] Quicksilver, download it, learn it, love it, it has no rivals no matter how hard windows trys
[] VMware - if you still want to keep windows around (better than bootcamp IMO)
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[ot][quote=simplistik;2329276]OS X native
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[] Time Machine - currently there is no backup program for Windows that will unobtrusively backup your WHOLE system. At least not one that comes w/ the system
[] If you have a MacBook or MBP, when you close the flippin lid it actually goes to sleep, and when you open it back up it actually wakes the f*** back up.
[] 32bit and 64bit support 
[] What’s defrag?
[*]QUICKLY mounts external media, almost everything is plug and play, doesn’t have to “Search for a driver”, in hopes that it can actually find one.
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I’m only quoting the ones that are blatantly wrong.
- Whats wrong with windows back up it works perfectly and its very seamless… it also doesn’t require opening another application to move back a version. right click and restore the file.
- Closing the lid sleeps it wakes it up… i don’t really understand that one all laptops do this some don’t do it by default though (I think on my bros closing it sleeps it and hitting the power button wakes it).
- Install 64bit OS… while nothing really uses 64bit heavily the only reason is ram.
- Vista defrags in the background… but yes you win this one… file systems are a funny thing.
- Plug and play works the same on windows… plus you don’t have the whole not compatible with mac thing. :)[/ot]
[QUOTE=Templarian;2329280][ot]
I’m only quoting the ones that are blatantly wrong.
- Whats wrong with windows back up it works perfectly and its very seemless.
- Closing the lid sleeps it wakes it up… i don’t really understand that one all laptops do this some don’t do it by default though (I think on my bros closing it sleeps it and hitting the power button wakes it).
- Install 64bit OS… while nothing really uses 64bit heavily the only reason is ram.
- Vista defrags in the background… but yes you win this one… file systems are a funny thing.
- Plug and play works the same on windows.[/ot][/QUOTE]
blatantly wrong? i don’t think they are.
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[] Windows doesn’t backup for me very well at all, IF i’m lucky it may successfully make a restore point, even on a clean install.
[] When Windows goes to sleep, more times than not it won’t wake back up. I’ve seen this on numerous computers AND we’ve had to provide “support” for it as well when our clients ask us about it.
[] Why? Having to install a 64 bit OS is not the solution… oh did I mention flash player isn’t supported on 64 bit windows … yea … gg. Not windows’ fault, but still it shouldn’t be an issue. Also, if you run 64 bit windows, not all 32 bit program will run on it, how do I know? Unless you run it in support mode, or something like that.
[] Plug and play doesn’t work as I said. What I said is when you plug something in, you have to wait for Windows to detect the object, detect the driver, activate/install the driver or download it from the internet, if you’re lucky. A prime example of this is the WDD Passport, works on some versions of Windows, and other’s it doesn’t.[/list]
If you have external HDD in NTFS I recommend you get this its the best I had tested other free versions but this is the most easiest and best IMHO to get read and write on NTFS in OSX
Also burning Dual Layer DVDs on OSX is pure crap I just made 5 coasters went to XP and burned the same iso in just 1 try :love: thank God for bootcamp :love:
Which programs don’t run in 64-bit Windows? By default, apps run in 32-bit unless they request to be run in 64-bit. That’s why there is a Program Files (x86) and Program Files folder. The compatibility mode is mainly for going between OS’es. I didn’t think that you needed to explicitly flag an app as running only in 32-bit. FWIW, I’ve been running Vista 64 on all of my comps for a long time without running into apps that didn’t work. XP x64 was another story…
Concerning the Flash Player running in 64-bit, I haven’t heard an argument for why you would want that. Even if you are running in 64-bit, all browsers on Windows run in 32-bit. You’ll have to go out of your way, for example, to find and run IE 64-bit.
The fact that apps run in 32-bit mode by default is laughable. With a 64-bit OS, all apps should run using the full capacity of the OS.
While it’s possible to run the apps, it doesn’t run them in 64-bit mode, so what’s the point?
[QUOTE=randomagain;2329162]wait… wait… and more wait
you can edit videos well with finalcutPro
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I agree 100% If you can get your hands on a copy or trial use it! Best editing program I have ever worked with.
Also if you are going to be working with a few different programs a lot set up Spaces, it’s quite handy and it helps prevent you from surfing when you should be working.
[quote=simplistik;2329291]blatantly wrong? i don’t think they are.
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[] Windows doesn’t backup for me very well at all, IF i’m lucky it may successfully make a restore point, even on a clean install.
[] When Windows goes to sleep, more times than not it won’t wake back up. I’ve seen this on numerous computers AND we’ve had to provide “support” for it as well when our clients ask us about it.
[] Why? Having to install a 64 bit OS is not the solution… oh did I mention flash player isn’t supported on 64 bit windows … yea … gg. Not windows’ fault, but still it shouldn’t be an issue. Also, if you run 64 bit windows, not all 32 bit program will run on it, how do I know? Unless you run it in support mode, or something like that.
[] Plug and play doesn’t work as I said. What I said is when you plug something in, you have to wait for Windows to detect the object, detect the driver, activate/install the driver or download it from the internet, if you’re lucky. A prime example of this is the WDD Passport, works on some versions of Windows, and other’s it doesn’t.
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I think these points can be debated on depending on the setup of the PC. That’s the glory of the Macs, their environment is so sterile, controlled, that there’s no random bugs popping up that can stop some programs from working, or drivers from installing, etc. For example, I’ve never had any of those problems listed, but of course someone else with a different computer/setup could, like what you’ve experienced. So in that case, I think its harder to place all the blame on Windows when it has to deal with that type of variability.
Also, in terms of the context on which were talking about…that’s one place OSX really helps make using a OS easier, without all that potential nuisance.
[quote=Jeff Wheeler;2329361]The fact that apps run in 32-bit mode by default is laughable. With a 64-bit OS, all apps should run using the full capacity of the OS.
While it’s possible to run the apps, it doesn’t run them in 64-bit mode, so what’s the point?[/quote]
The point is that I can run my 32-bit apps in a 32-bit process and a 64-bit app in a 64-bit process in the same OS. Apps have to be coded to run at 64-bit, for a 32-bit app won’t become better running on a 64-bit machine especially in a 64-bit process…if it runs at all 
That’s what Vista 64, XP x64, and OS X (AFAIK) do.
BTW, a word of caution regarding Spaces in OSX Leopard; it is not fully compatible with Adobe CS3, and causes problems drawing the Adobe interface when switching apps.
There are some klunky workarounds, but IMO, you should just disable Spaces until the affected apps are patched.
Install VM Ware Fusion - and install vista or xp and that can run fullscreen or in a window without having to reboot using bootcamp!!
PS. MAC RULE!
PS.PS. also it’s great using vmware for testing websites on different platforms as you can have xp and vista and os x all running to test websites mmm even better with dual monitors!
VMWare is pretty good but I like parallels more and both of these still lack full direct x support so nothing beats bootcamp but these will do pretty good if you just want to do basic stuff.
